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p:m
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Well, good luck to you in your magic and school. A Year this time I'll be FREE forever! Free to do the diamond plated box escape everyday.
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Haha...absolutely! Same to you...good luck. I can't wait to be done and able to pursue the career, on my terms...
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On 2005-10-12 22:32, AJP807 wrote:........ I do consider it somewhat unethical to copy an idea of theirs just to save a few bucks. Think about how much different all of our lives would be if the Cannon's were forced out of business due to lack of support from the escape community. Tony Parisi


Hi Tony, I agree, this niche art needs the support of all. Recently one person who should have known better sent a hamburg eight handcuff to Pakistan to have it copied and asked for sole rights for sales in the USA. He then cried foul that they wouldn't do that. The hamburg eight has been one of my staple products for years and has cost me thousands in molds and patterns, now I have been slightly undermined in this product as well as a few other which the same Pakistan company did off their own back. I wouldn't have thought that one in this business would do such a thing to another.

When I was younger and started to ask around, all the names of dealers and makers of escape equipement that were mentioned were not in business any longer. ( which is why I started my business ) Please support those who support your art.

Good topic Tony, thanks

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Thank YOU! Ian, and of course, whenever I refer to the Cannon's I am of course including you and all of your incredible products and ingenious ideas being their main supplyer. Of course they do come up with many fine products and ideas on their own. All of you brilliant, creative people just make me sick! (just kidding)
You all need our well deserved support. Thanks from all of us for a continued line of fine products, manuals, advice and friendship.
Best regards, Tony Parisi
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"Oh what a gift, the gods whould give us!

If we could but see ourselves, as others see us!"

...and now, for a different opinion.

I was at the convention last year when it was done. I stood in the hall as the people passed and commented on the escape....

...the comments were not positive.

There seems to be an ever moving idea that "full view" is the only way to go today. Skipping the theater for a moment, lets honestly look at what we see here in full view.

1. We see a ratchet strap slide in a manner that NONE of them do. Anyone who has used one knows that.

2. We see a lock hasp that moves in a way that is clearly there to give you room to escape, not hold you in.

3. We see you "jimmy valentine" a padlock, in an odd manner.

Now, is this a bad trick? No, far from it. It simply is NOT as effective in full view, to laymen, as some seem to think. As least not to those in attendence last year.

All one has to do, is throw a sheet over the thing. Now, they can see movement, and know you are doing "something". However mystery is maintained, and things that defy the logic of the viewer are hidden.

To each their own, and I am aware some will disagree, but I was there too, and I know what I saw....

....and heard.
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Hmmmm.....
Well our audiences would disagree with you.

Jimmy Valentine the lock in an odd manner?....hmmm, to the laymen, this is exactly what one would do to free themselves at that point.

It is exactly as effective in full view, as the lay people who see Kristen do it, as I think it is.

As you mentioned, people will disagree...I would like to hear from people that saw it this year.


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Houdini man
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I've come to the rescue Kevin,

At least in Livingillusions show I saw this year, full view helped it. NOT seeing "how it was done" would have been far less entertaining, from the lay persons perspective too. It would have lost a lot if it was behind a curtain. If nothing else, I liked it.

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Mr.Wizard
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Gee, people need to be "rescued" from a different opinion? Wow. You do know they did NOT do the box that year?

You know, long before most of you were born, a guy named Vernon warned about basing opinions on polite people.

I said many would disagree, and I expected those who feel all escapes should be done in full view to really disagree.

However, the STRONGEST comments I heard that year were about Kristens exchange with the sport coat and rope tie. EVERYONE was blown away by that, and I made it a point to tell her so.

I seem to recall that is covered. Perhaps if you did it in full view it would be even better....

...unless you think seeing what she does would diminish the mystery.

Which is my point you know.

I will simply state again, that the people in the hall that night were NOT impressed with the box, and were vocal in expessing same.

Its not even MY opinion folks, just reporting what people were saying, AWAY from the performers.

Accept or reject as you see fit.
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Mr. Wizard....
You DO know that Houdini Man was refering to when HE saw it THIS year. Perhaps you read too fast.

I respect what you have done in the past..and what you are currently doing. You have a vast knwoledge of magic and escapes. However, you also did the greatest amount of performing before extreme sports, X games, Fear Factor, etc. Things have changed and so is our industry...but it is still all in the presentation. The same prop, with two different performers will be received two different ways. in fact the same performer with the same prop can be received two different ways, if one show he has built rapport, while in the other he has not. Especially in escapes, if the audience doesn't have respect for you or care for you, they could care less if you escape or not.

What we have done and seems to be working for us is to have a video camera projecting the live feed of the Diamond Box up to two large video screens. The audience gets a close up view of Kristen as her hand comes out of the box and works on the lock. Also, four more inches was cut off the height of Kristen's box from Mark's original size.

In our opinion Mark Cannon has come up with a winner here. As mentioned presentation rules supreme, if someone comes up with a great version of performing this while covered, I would cheer them on.


Kevin
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Ian McColl
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Hey Kevin, you make a very valid point. I have seen the diamond plated steel box performed now by Kristen and by another (video), both have different styles and both were intriging to watch. In both cases, I have also heard and (in one , witnessed) the audience reaction. If they love it, go with it. It may not be 'science' but it is very entertaining.

Ian
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I've seen Dean Gunnarson, Kristen Johnson, and Mark Cannon perform this live before audiences of Escape artists, padlock collectors, and laymen. All did an excellent job, and as far as modern day escapes go, I rate this among the best. So many people do the straitjacket that the audience expects success. Same with handcuffs. But the mere fact the someone can get into a box this size, let along get out in FULL VIEW is what makes it so impressive. Still, a mystery how the handcuffs/leg irons are removed, but the skill and sight of overcoming the three locking mechanisms (built in lock, nylon strap, and combination padlock) is simply incredible. It's a GREAT escape. NO two ways about it.
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