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TheNightBringer89 Special user 766 Posts |
Hey all, not sure where to post this so I might as well put it here. Hopefully soon I'm going to shoot some footage of me performing for some people around the city, I was just curious what kind of equipment is needed? Would a digital video camera be sufficient or do I need some advanced camera with a microphone and all that? It doesn't have to be that great of quality, as long as you can hear everything decently.
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
If you're on a budget, get the least expensive mini-DV cam-corder available (I like tigerdirect.com for prices and speedy delivery). There's not much difference in the low-end camcorders, so you might as well save money and get the cheapest.
If you want higher quality, you need to spend at least $2000 before you'll notice the difference on your TV screen. You can attach an inexpensive (Dollar store) handheld microphone to almost any camera, but only do so if you also have headphones so you can hear what you are (and are not) picking up. Most of the time it will be hand noises as people touch the microphone, so make sure they can't grab it. You would only need a separate microphone for interviews, otherwise, stay away from them and use the built-in camera microphone instead. A bigger concern is lighting. If you can't see it,you're wasting video. A big old flashlight with a diffuser over the lens (so you don't see flashlight "light rings")can work in many situations, but you need to try it. Toilet paper makes a great cheap diffuser for lights that don't get hot.
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BLSmagic New user 79 Posts |
Spellbinder said it. To get broadcast legal video, you'll need to spend at least $2,000 and if you want it to be professional, you'll need good audio and professional looking editing done to it. Check out the video on my site. Use Internet Explorer. http://www.blsmagic.com . That was done with a $5,000 camera and some expensive editing software. Feel free to PM or email me NightBringer with any questions.
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TheNightBringer89 Special user 766 Posts |
Thanks for the comments guys, I think a lower quality camera is ok since this will probably be going on my website and will need to be lower quality anyway. Will check out tigerdirect.com
P.S. Do you guys know if for an online video you need a liscense for music that is not the "royalty-free" variety?
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Magickman Elite user St.Petersburg, Fl. 402 Posts |
Sorry I have to differ here. I have a mini DV camcorder and I have been doing video for over 8 yrs. A mini dv can deliver a very good picture! And todays software for editing is awesome. Even if you take your shoot and bump it down in size to mpeg1 although this is so much smaller, when played it is crystal clear.
The software you use for editing (Easy boys! Adding music is editing!) will make a lot of difference. I suggest by trail and error using Uleads Videostudio 9. There is a trail version that can be used for 15 days on Ulead.com. You can also find tutorials for the software there in downloadable movies. If you release a video on the net make sure you have permission to use the music! If you know someone in the music field perhaps they would trade some unique music for adding them into the credits. Get out there and give it a try NightBringer! Magic/Mentalism/Bizarre all need to be seen! Have fun with it! Magickman PS Find a place local that sells the mini-dvs, talk about what you need and want in options. That will give you a little insite before odering it cheaper as SpellBinder suggested.
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Bill Ligon Inner circle A sure sign of a misspent youth: 6437 Posts |
Magickman is right. You don't need a bunch of super-expensive video equipment for small-scale video production. Mini DV is fine and there are a number of editing programs out there that are excellent.
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts |
NightBringer, I work at Futureshop here in Canada as a product expert in the video department. If you have nay questions at all, PM me and I will be sure to give you all of the knowledge I havenot only to find the right camera, but also get you the right price!
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jimgerrish Inner circle East Orange, NJ 3209 Posts |
Yes, you need a license if the music is not public domain, original or royalty free. Having said that, there are plenty of options, but it can't be discussed well on a forum like this because questions have to be asked and answered before a decision can be reached.
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bloodyjack Veteran user Seattle WA 343 Posts |
All video cameras suck at audio even if you spend $10,000 on a camera.
One of your requirements was people can hear everything. To be honest you need to spend as much on audio equipment as you do a camera to get it to sound good, especially out side on the street, and need to know what your doing.
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BLSmagic New user 79 Posts |
Magickman,
Wasn't trying to imply that the $300-$800 cameras were bad quality. I have a Sony Digital 8 and it takes excellent quality video. Never been unhappy with it. I just meant that my Canon XL2 takes slightly better quality. I wish it was as conventient as my Sony. NightBringer, http://www.freeplaymusic.com !!! Nuff said. Also, bloodyjack is speaking pretty dang close to the truth. If you aren't in a quiet room within 15 feet of the camera, even with a broadcast legal camera, you more than likely won't be 100% satisfied. For a around $200-$300 you can get a wireless lapel mic and a receiver to go into your camcorder. Just take it to a camera shop and show them the mic input(s) on the camera so they can get you the right adapter(s). If you want really cool audio, get a directional boom mic, a boom, and a friend to hold it. That's how Blaine has gotten some of his street magic audio as well as the lapel mics. If you want to browse, check out http://www.bhphoto.com . They have excellent ratings and I've always been satisfied with their products and service. Again, pm/email me for any questions regarding cinemtography. It's my "magician off-duty" job. ~Bryan P.S. Sony Vegas and Adobe Premiere 1.5 are great editing programs. You can search Ebay and get great deals on that stuff. |
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jimgerrish Inner circle East Orange, NJ 3209 Posts |
You won't know if the sound is satisfactory until you try, so don't go spending money on sound equipment until you make some tests in the street.
If you don't want to spend a lot of money on editing software, Frederick Goode (Wiz Kid Director) also runs some digital production studios known appropriately as: (get this!) Digital Production Studios. http://dpstudios.biz/ You can send him raw footage on mini-dv tapes and he will edit it, title it and produce a DVD master from it according to your directions. He can also compose original music for your video. Tell him you're a magician and he'll charge you double... no that's not right... he has a discount package for magicians since he is one himself. Tell him I sent you and he'll know who to blame. ------------------------------ Re: freeplaymusic.com ... Always read the fine print. There's free and then there's free. Their fees: Direct to Video, DVD, VHS, CD, CDR, (sold or distributed) 10 copies or less, $25.00 per Freeplay Music title - (for each 3 minutes of use per song title) 100 copies or less, $50.00 per Freeplay Music title - (for each 3 minutes of use per song title) 100-1000 copies, $85.00 per Freeplay Music title - (for each 3 minutes of use per song title) 10,000 copies, $250.00 per Freeplay Music title (for each 3 minutes of use per song title)
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TheNightBringer89 Special user 766 Posts |
I'm going to go with the mini dv and if the audio isn't good enough look into that.
About freeplaymusic. I have been to just about every "royalty free" music site and I must say it's all crap. If your looking for "horror rock" that is. I may have to settle for "darkly beautiful". If anyone knows more about liscening please pm me. I notice Banachek (Kid Rock) and Dr. Z (007 Theme) both have music that requires liscensing and am curious to how much this costs, thousands or more? Thanks for all the help guys, I really apreciate it!
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Gede Nibo Inner circle 2447 Posts |
Great info!!!
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
I agree with Jim Gerrish- contact Fred Goode and give him the names of music that you would use if you could afford to license it. He's good at this. He will listen to the commercial music and then create a piece of music that sounds similar (same style, same instruments, same tempo, etc.) but is legally completely original. He will even do a free sample just to show you what you'll be getting and let you listen to it over the phone (so you can't copy it). His prices are reasonable and you get perpetual royalty free use rights, while he can still license it to others who are not using it in any way that competes with your use of the music (so no one else can license the music to make a magic DVD, for example).
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TheNightBringer89 Special user 766 Posts |
Oh that sounds very cool, I'll look into that, Thanks!
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Andrew Richmond Loyal user Birmingham - UK 252 Posts |
Hey guys my first post on the Café,
In terms of a promotional video a mini DV is fine as long as it holds focus and can handle low light. The more expensive (£300 - £500) will be more than sufficient. Combine this with a good editing program and your away. As an alternative if you really think you'll only use the camer once or twice then you may want to hire one instead? A.R.
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TheNightBringer89 Special user 766 Posts |
Thanks and welcome to the forum! I like your quote by the way.
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durgy Elite user Toronto 402 Posts |
I got a questoin. I have a mini dv cam but there are no mic inputs on it...which is weird cuz it's a fairly recent camera. anyways, the audio on it sucks especially on the street. what options do I have if I don't want to buy a new camera? thanks
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jimgerrish Inner circle East Orange, NJ 3209 Posts |
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On 2005-10-15 04:49, durgy wrote: What is the make and model number? Maybe the mic input is just hidden behind some secret door. You know how they like their secrets. If you can synchronize the sound in an editing program, you can make a sound track with (for example) a separate digital sound recorder. Use a clacker for sound synchronization (one of those old Hollywood chalkboards that they smack with a stick). You videotape and sound record that at the start of each scene, then in editing, you line up the smacking sound with the video at the exact moment of the smack, then later cut out that part from your finished scene. You can also just have the person you are interviewing clap their hands on camera if you don't need the board information.
Jim Gerrish
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BLSmagic New user 79 Posts |
Durgy,
See where you headphone inputs are. Usually on the small mini DV camcorders, the mic input is not far away. |
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