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KeirRoyale Special user Denver, CO 550 Posts |
Muggles Shmuggles.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2005-10-16 01:14, KeirRoyale wrote: What do you mean by that?
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saxmangeoff Veteran user Moscow, ID, USA 353 Posts |
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On 2005-10-15 23:54, Frank Tougas wrote: Frank. You're absolutely right. Mudbloods is what we really are in the Rolwingian context. So, perhaps we could say that a magician is a mudblood playing the part of a wizard. Geoff
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Would Marshall be a fullblood? As would any prodigy of two performing conjurers/assistants.
The controversy in Ms Rowlings story about full versus mix blood wizards ( yes they are both wizards ) may more closely correspond to how we sometimes hear about amateur versus professional supposed conflicts of interest.
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Patrick Differ Inner circle 1540 Posts |
Egads! What's wrong with calling them "muggles?" Nothing! It's just a word, fercryinoutloud! And it's meaning is clear.
Spectators. Audience. Laypersons. Laity. Victims. Marks. Suckers. Targets. Them. Watchers. Helpers. Muggles. These words all mean the same thing to us. Why not use them? I'm all for it. I love it when a language grows. I am a language student. Idioms, modismos, slangs, colloquialisms, you name it, I'm there. To describe them, I personally like to use the terms "guests" and "tourists". And I'm a "host" and a "local." 'sallright? 'sallright!
Will you walk into my parlour? said the Spider to the Fly,
Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy; The way into my parlour is up a winding stair, And I've a many curious things to show when you are there. Oh no, no, said the little Fly, to ask me is in vain, For who goes up your winding stair -can ne'er come down again. |
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Beth Loyal user Missouri 277 Posts |
I actually thought of this post as more tongue in cheek than serious when I first posted under it. More along the lines of some good humoured teasing. I personally wouldn't use the term "muggles" myself, because it strikes me as coming across as rather silly and childish. Something our Art doesn't really need more of IMO. But that's just me. I have to say I think we are way overthinking this issue here. It's a word choice. It certainly wouldn't be my word choice, but it's not a big deal. I firmly believe in letting ppl speak as they wish.
Peace Beth
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pkg Inner circle The City of Ithobaal I son of Hiram I 1356 Posts |
Haven't changed my opinion...roll n pass me one!
But seriously, in every profession there is a certain lingo people use...we are not calling them Muggles to their faces! muggles, laymen...customers...I think the word patients is the right one...we are after all curing them momentarily from the downsides of this world.... Ahhh and please do kill Harry Potter!
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Caleb Strange Special user Manchester UK 676 Posts |
Imagine that the characters of the players - characters, note, not actors - in 'Hamlet' became aware not only of their onstage audience, but also the people sitting out in the auditorium. Wouldn't they understand these two 'audiences' to be VERY different? Or think of Bottom in 'A Midsummer Night's Dream'. He briefly becomes part of a magical world that, after, he is unable to explain. Now, while in the world, he is treated with the most exquisite courtesy. But to the fairies he's still a 'muggle', albeit one enjoying the lovely benefits of enchantment. For what it's worth, I personally think of the members of my audience as 'guests': I endeavour to create a world for them and then invite them in. It's just that this cordial purpose is not served by having my guests primarily think that my abilities came about - as they may have done in this reality - because I could've done with more girlfriends as a nerdy adolescent. When you pay to see Elton John, you don't want two hours of Reg Dwight. Regards, Caleb Strange.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Dwight On!!!!
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
"The company" is one way Erdnase refers to them and that seems the right and polite way for magicians to refer to the people they perform for.
Suckers, Marks are not right for that, I think. “Muggles” I am not sure about, but if someone paid to see magician and he heard him later refer to him as one of the Muggles, not being sure what a Muggle was, he would think the magician was calling him some kind of Mug! That magician would likely find out what it is like to wake up in morning and not be able to open his eyes.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2005-10-16 20:15, tommy wrote: Tommy, were magic audiences the same as attendees or company for a card game, I'd agree. As to trying to think about what other people MIGHT think about what they are unlikely to hear... that is a bit of a stretch. When I think about you I don't get confused with the rock opera by The Who. Working from my experience and time spent with the neighbors ...the odds aregood that folks will know the term and its source. Rowlings's story world may currently be more popular and well known than the wonderful intricacies of Tolkien's universe.
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BlackShadow Special user London UK 666 Posts |
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On 2005-10-16 01:23, Jonathan Townsend wrote: I always wondered this. I had a Jewish mate who kept on saying a word and then the same word after with the letters sh before it. I think it means "what a load of crap" but I don't know. Perhaps someone who knows can give a quick heads up, without getting too off topic. I'm sure it's a Hebrew thing... By the way, have we got 50 yet? Then we can have our petition |
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Frank Tougas Inner circle Minneapolis, MN 1712 Posts |
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On 2005-10-16 15:10, Beth wrote: 100% Beth. It was tongue in cheek but with all the pseudo intellectualism that has been introduced, it is more foot in mouth. Frank Tougas P.S. Muggles Schmuggles is a comedic way of saying "what a load, or forget it or that's just stupid" Can't say I've ever run into anyone who did not know that context.
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Jerrine Special user Busking is work. 629 Posts |
I second Muggles Shmuggles. Oh and pkg, "pass it on", he said wearing rose colored glasses.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Definition: muggle
muggle [from J.K. Rowling's `Harry Potter' books, 1998] A non-wizard. Not as disparaging as luser; implies vague pity rather than contempt. In the universe of Rowling's enormously (and deservedly) popular children's series, muggles and wizards inhabit the same modern world, but each group is ignorant of the commonplaces of the others' existence - most muggles are unaware that wizards exist, and wizards (used to magical ways of doing everything) are perplexed and fascinated by muggle artifacts. In retrospect it seems completely inevitable that hackers would adopt this metaphor, and in hacker usage it readily forms compounds such as `muggle-friendly'. Compare luser, mundane. Definition: luser <jargon, abuse> /loo'zr/ A user; especially one who is also a loser. (luser and loser are pronounced identically.) This word was coined around 1975 at MIT. “Not as disparaging as luser; implies vague pity rather than contempt.” I suppose it’s Ok if muggles are unaware that wizards exist. Maybe I am just worried they might find out we do exist. OK I am with you, they are Muggles.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
If any of the "pseudo-intellectuals" or actual thinking members of our community would like to offer a cogent argument against, I'm curious as to why some find issue with the term.
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Joe Russell Veteran user Buffalo NY 397 Posts |
We have an issue with the term because, the word eats at our very soul draining the life essence out of our body. Every time a magician types the word "muggle" god kills a kitten.
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Skip Way Inner circle 3771 Posts |
It is a societal fact that certain creative & fictional tags will inevitably find their way into common usage. "Gulliver's Travels" gave us the term "Yahoo" for uncivilized and undisciplined beings. Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Adventure of the Six Napoleons" placed the word "Hooligan" into common usage for ruffians or vandals. There are countless other examples. Is it so unacceptable that various terms from such a wildly popular series as HP would also find their way into common usage...especially among magicians?
To presume that real-world illusionists and magic-shop magi shouldn't use the word because they aren't "real wizards and witches"...Geesh! If this is the case, then we should all change our titles to "Tricksters"...because none of us are "real magicians". We simply play the part for the entertainment of others. To assume that the use of the term "Muggles" to identify our not-in-on-our-secrets brethren is demeaning...well, that mountain is barely more than an anthill. Children understand and identify with the term. It isn't demeaning in HP...it shouldn't be considered so here. If a magi uses the term in a derrogatory manner, then the fault lies with his usage...not the term. Is it not our job, as entertainers, to help the "Muggles" among us to discover a wee bit of the magical wizard within each of them? Finally, for one magi to seek to ban every other person in the world from using the term because he or she personally finds it annoying...What a ridiculous argument to start. I might find the addition of -ini or "The Great" to a magi's name offensive. I might see the addition of imps to photos as an insult to the truly great magicians of the past who introduced this image. Oh rats! Left my petitions at home! Who am I (or you) to demand that someone else conform to my (or your) views? Get a grip! Skip
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
“wizards (used to magical ways of doing everything) are perplexed and fascinated by muggle artifacts.”
So it is the Wizards who are mystified, confounded, bewildered and spellbound by Muggle artifacts. When it comes to muggles artifacts, in effect, the Wizards are the muggles? It follows we are all muggles in some respect. See you suckers later. Tommy If you fool a magician have you muggled him?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Have you looked in the hi-tech discussions on the Café about bone conduction for sound, remote control, radio cameras and pens that can record or transmit what they write?
The wizards sure are fascinated by non magical artifacts. This also goes for stories from far away too. One might guess that magic secrets involve using things in unexpected contexts. An interesting guess but only the wizards know how to make magic.
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