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Joe Russell Veteran user Buffalo NY 397 Posts |
The Pass is been known as a true card mans show of skill. But have you ever realised with the pass the more you practice the hours of time you put into it, it will only become less noticable. Now of course that's a good thing but what other art besides magic do you practice and practice so that one day no one would notice it!!! Just thought it was a witty observation. Any comments?
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magicarisimon Regular user Sherman Oaks 116 Posts |
Magic is the art of doing a lot without it appearing as if you did anything. You don't practice the pass in order to show the pass off, you practice the pass in order to show off something magical. When you practice baseball, you don't show people the technique, you just show them baseball as a whole, not the position of your hand when you catch. You practice the pass as a segment of magic as a whole.
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Hostile18 Loyal user London 231 Posts |
I work in a magic shop, and magicians quite like going up to one another and saying "look at my pass, see how invisible it is."
But in general, I suppose there's just an extra degree of separation between actual skill and perceived skill. With juggling, the skill is there in front of you and it's exactly what it looks like. In magic, the pass is a hidden skill which creates the impression of a different (hopefully more interesting) skill for the observer. Like most things, it's very strange if you think about it. |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
One might well wonder if most crafts are directed at making things which are almost puzzles as to how the things were created. Fine woodwork where all the joins and grains have been matched offer an illusion of a tree somehow growing the thing. Then there are the woodworkers who work in multiple woods and other materials to produce minaiture scuptures which leave on to wonder how they were made. I wonder if effort toward making one's art invisible and one's craft appear natural is a common theme
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
If magic is the art that conceals art, what is the point in exhibiting an invisible pass?
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saxmangeoff Veteran user Moscow, ID, USA 353 Posts |
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On 2005-10-15 13:34, Jonathan Townsend wrote: When someone is highly skilled in a sport or craft, or just about any skill, often the highest praise is 'he makes it look easy." Roger Federer makes tennis look easy. It's not. He's put a lot of work into his craft. Roy Hargrove makes playing trumpet look easy. It's not. He's put a lot of work into his craft. David Roth makes magically teleporting coins from one hand to the other look easy. It's not. He's put a lot of work into his craft. In all of those cases, what matters is the end result. All we "see" is the tip of the iceberg. The ultimate goal of our sleights and gimmics is to be not only invisible, but not even suspected. Is that much different than Roy Hargrove not looking like he's taking a music theory exam during a concert, even though he's applying a lot of music theory in his playing? Geoff
"You must practice your material until it becomes boring, then practice it until it becomes beautiful." -- Bill Palmer
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
I posted this on another thread that I can't recall right now. Anyways here is the gist of it.
" Isn't it ironic that we spend countless hours practicing our slieights only to hope that they will never be seen."
Magic is a vanishing art.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I wish I had said that. "You will" I hear Oscar saying.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
If it helps folks, I spent a month learning how to do what I really do when I transfer something from hand to hand. Before art can conceal art, it has to notice truth. It took three weeks to be able to do and even watch what I really do in the mirror. Was very funny learning.
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
Most great art strives to transcend its technique and touch people on a human emotional level. Just as seeing the technique of a pass dispells the magic so does seeing the brush strokes instead of the painting.
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oagwood Veteran user Pleasant Hill, CA 392 Posts |
I practice doing nice things for other people without seeking any recognition. unfortunately, my pass is still less visible than this.
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Hostile18 Loyal user London 231 Posts |
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On 2005-10-15 23:00, tommy wrote: Kudos for playing the Wilde card... |
BlackShadow Special user London UK 666 Posts |
There are parallels in sport to Joe's original conundrum. For example a legspin bowler in cricket will strive hide his googly so it looks like his leg break. Thus the batsman can't tell until the ball pitches, when it is too late. No doubt baseball pitchers do the same type of thing. A volleyball player will shape up to hit a big spike while delivering the most delicate tip over the block. Not quite complete hiding of an action but more akin to to making it look exactly like another action in line with Jonathan's example of a transfer vanish.
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
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On 2005-10-28 22:12, BlackShadow wrote: I know most of those words, but I have no idea what you just said????
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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