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doiron Regular user 180 Posts |
The "instant stooge" approach is interesting. Some excellent magicians use this particular method - one very famous performer uses an instant stooge in his linking finger rings routine, for example. Personally, I don't like it unless it's part of a humorous presentation.
I hate the thought of the participant tipping the method after you're gone - and believe me - many will do just that. A lot of people like being the centre of attention, if only for an hour or two. And when they do, what do you suppose people will assume about all your other effects? Suddenly, your show becomes a series of puzzles to be worked out. In classic magic, this phenomenon isn't nearly as damaging as it is in mentalism where we want there to be some small suspicion that we can actually, in limited ways, and in limited situations, know what someone is thinking. The other thing to think of is the effect you're having, or rather NOT having on that participant. In my opinion he or she is being cheated out of the entertainment value of the magic. The stooge misses out on the experience of wonder felt by the rest of the audience. Why have any "collateral damage" at all when so many strong tricks don't require it? |
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Enigmo Loyal user 215 Posts |
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Mr. Spock
Mr. Palmer thanks for the review. The one thing about the review that is missing is whether or not the assisting spectator is "fooled" (for a lack of a better term_. From what I deduce (and I am pretty sure I know the or at least one method on how this is accomplished), the spectator is not. I think both the ad and the reviews should mention that. At the very least, the ad should state something like "the audience is left in the dark how this psychic link between the spectator and the performer has been established.". At least this would tell me that I need to read the effect description from the point of view of the audience not the assisting spectator. On a side note, in my opinion instant stooges should be always be deceived by one aspect of the presentation. As an example, maybe the performer could say something along the lines :" from the large number of words in these books, only a few will jump at you..." Later on, the book is secretely switched for a regular one and the spectator is left wondering why only a few words jumped at him... Again, thanks for your review... Enigmo |
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Spinnato Elite user 428 Posts |
This review will answer ALL of your questions:
http://www.magicbackstage.blogspot.com/ Beautiful......simply beautiful. |
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hoodrat Veteran user Southern California 388 Posts |
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On 2005-10-27 11:41, Spinnato wrote: Great link! That blog is a fun read! Still laughing my *** off! |
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
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On 2005-10-27 11:41, Spinnato wrote: Little wordy. Could have been shorter. (grin)
Magic is a vanishing Art.
This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto. Eschew obfuscation. |
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Spinnato Elite user 428 Posts |
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On 2005-10-28 12:29, Turk wrote: "WORDY" being the key word!!!! :) |
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slydini62 Special user 939 Posts |
Perform this effect last night and it killed. Keep making jabs at it while I continue to get repeat bookings!
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
Wow, there seems to be no middle ground. Those that use it seem to like it a lot, and working pros like David Alexander and Bill Palmer like it as well.
Tony Chaudhuri and Frank Velasco are currently using it, as am I. Those that have it and haven't tried it are missing a strong routine, in my opinion. Anyway, my best to all. I appreciate all who have contributed to this thread. Denny Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com |
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
David Alexander, who is a working professional of many years experience just posted this on the Genii Forum. I'm reprinting it here with his permission.
Dennis Loomis --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a problem with anonymous "reviews." Who is doing the reviewing? A 15-year-old kid, a working pro, or some amateur who thinks his opinion is on the same level as an experienced professional? With a pseudonym, who knows? For me, the review becomes worthless unless I have an idea of the reviewer's background and experience, and even then, I take it with a grain of salt. In this case, after I read Bill’s review, I called Dennis Loomis whom I’ve known for a number of years. I spoke with him about this item and he explained its workings to me in detail. I bought it on the spot as I know how to use such a device without problem. The fantasy that props should be examinable is just that. I’ve used a Martin Jumbo Card Rise in nearly every non-mentalism show I’ve done for the past 35 years and not once has anyone ever asked to “examine” the big deck. I was fortunate in acquiring this prop, one of the last made by the legendary Martin, because the previous disappointed amateur owner described it as “a block of wood with clockworks in it.” His foolishness benefited me. I have a number of specially printed books used in my mentalism presentations. Most won’t stand “examination,” whatever that means. Using them, they’re just books, handled and used in exactly that way. No one thinks that a book can be gimmicked which makes them all the more potent as useful devices. In the hands of an experienced performer, Denny's book test will score strongly with an audience. In the hands of an amateur it would be wasted since its presentation involves spectator management, something the inexperienced amateur knows little to nothing about. That should be taken into account when reading "reviews."
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com |
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slydini62 Special user 939 Posts |
Ditto Mr. Alexander and Mr. Loomis
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
David's comments triggered a thought. One of the strongest pieces of mentalism I've seen performed is the Tossed Out Deck. I saw David Hoy (Dr. Faustus) perform this in Colon at an Abbott Get Together many years ago. I've seen Max Maven do his version several times. It is very powerful in the hands of a performer that understands spectator management. It is the effect that matters. People don't question it because of the handling. Experienced performers can kill with it.
If you were to look only at the deck of cards, which cannot be examined, you would miss the point and might decide to call it "crap" or "worthless." Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com |
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Spinnato Elite user 428 Posts |
Mr Loomis;
With all due respect sir, when you compare the Tossed Out Deck to your Dynamite Book Test, you're coming apples to oranges, IN MY OPINION. In the TOD routine,the spectator is totally unware of its workings. I cannot say the same for your item. Regards.. |
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
To Spinnato,
Well, you are right, of course. But, all it takes is one little slip of the spectator's finger and he will know, won't he? The Tossed out Deck is an effect that requires good spectator management. It's critical at two points in the routine. When the deck is in their hands, and when you have the standing spectators sit. As I mentioned before, if the spectator slips or just plain decides to look at more cards, you could have a big problem. And, if one of them were to say, at the end, "That's right, I took the Four of Spades," that could be another problem. What it takes is spectator management. And so does my book test. Incidentally, I'm working hard on the follow up book test mentioned in my ads. Some of you will be pleased to know that the books can be looked at by spectators. (No, they can't take them home and examine them for days, but they can run through the book and find it to be just a novel.) We were going to save one surprise about this for the release, but since it bears so much on this thread, I'll mention that one of the books for the new book test will appear to be an exact match for one of the books in the existing Dynamite Book effect. (Death by Default, the mystery/detective novel.) Size and covers will be the same, so that if you... but we aren't supposed to discuss secrets here, now are we. Denny
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
This sounds exactly like a U.F. Grant trick that included pages of a readers digest. I have that somewhere. Is this the same trick Dennis?
Best wishes, James
Still with the Chinese circus
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Hurleybird New user Oklahoma 25 Posts |
I just want to say my brother has a cat. His name is Gus.
***Fear the Clown***
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Badger Elite user Ireland 401 Posts |
This dose not even compare to the U.F. grant trick, I am a working pro in ireland, and I would never use this.
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slydini62 Special user 939 Posts |
Badger....good then don't use it! Yeah right working Pro...A working Pro would recognize the potential in this effect.
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts |
Slydini-that was insulting. Are you saying that every working pro MUST agree with you? Or that Badger is lying and is not a working professional? Your comments are beyond the subject matter.
Personal insults do not belong on the Café. Time to apologize.
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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Steve Dela Special user U.K. London 961 Posts |
Agree with Tom, that was a bit un called for and at least we can see who he is?
Steve Dela |
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slydini62 Special user 939 Posts |
No apologizes here....sorry...Mr. Loomis has been creamed here and no-one else has apologized to him. To my knowledge, badgers have tough skin....NO PC here...
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