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Wearing sunglasses or Groucho Marks glasses disguises people's faces Smile

As besides, I agree with Stuartpalm statements that which magic techniques may be used for gambling. The members of this forum and truely interested in magic for the sake of the art.
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On 2005-11-01 06:35, Gluestick wrote:
Why buy a marked deck when they are so easy to do yourself?

The ultimate marked deck is the one that you invent for yourself.

It can be so easy.


Yes. And what about all this hype over the Lesley-variations?

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I got a deck and I love it!! Just a quick look and you got a read. I like this better than the Boris Wild Deck.

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I marke my own decks.. I have 2 marked a red biker and a blue biker.. they aint fully marked there just certain ones marked... It's easy to mark your own biker decks you can do it really good with just a red or blue sharpie.
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Maybe it is just me, my Ultimate Mark Deck just way too stiff when compare with normal deck in normal situation without heavy use...

Anyone have this experience... cards cannot fan and stick like a brick.
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Nope.
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I've got 2 decks of UMD cards and have no problem spreading/fanning them. They handle like normal bikes.
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My UMD also sticks and doesn't fan very well. I recently bought some fanning powder for the first time, but haven't used it yet.

I might try test on another deck first since the UMD doesn't come very cheap in Australia.
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Is there anyone that can pm or email me an example of the ultimate marked deck markings. and if that is even ok with out breaking any rules I have 3 marked decks just currious what the markings on this deck look like thanks, Matt

also how can delete a thread I started with this same post no need to have it twice thanks
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I also have different marked decks. Some work for me some don't. I don't like the ones with juice.

The UMD is perfect for this purpose. Easy to read when you know what you are looking for.

Well chosen name for this deck.

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For those who use Ted Lesley's, is it really good? I mean, will it affect the sliding of the cards when spreading on the table?
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A good friend of mine in Paris sent me an Ultimate M***** Deck (UMD) from the Magic Dream shop near the Eiffel Tower which I received today. Bottom line? For me this is the best MD that I have yet owned.

The Ma*****s are super easy to see, and the Bicycle edition is clean as a whistle, and overall I am thrilled with this new tool for my arsenal!

I had a Dekram Deck that I bought many years ago but to me it always lacked something as it looked like a gimmicky deck.

Highly recommended - the uses for this are numerous. My next Poker game with the boys lol!?
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For those of you who need eye glasses to see....you know that trying to read a UMD or Boris Wild deck deck may be problematic.

So, you may want to consider learning how to read Juice or use a Luminous deck. Unfortunately, Juice and Luminous are much more expensive than a UMD or Luminous deck.

In addition, trying to read a UMD or Borris Wild deck across a table (8 feet away) is difficult unless you have VERY sharp eyes Smile

Like everything else in light...every product has it's pros and cons. The trick is to use the right tool for the right environment.
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I also received an Ultimate Marked Deck today, from Penguin.

It is shockingly easy to read, and yet I think the markings would be invisible to anyone who was not actually looking for them.

It arrived without ANY instructions at all, and I was worried that I would not be able to find the marks . . . well, there is actually an instruction card packaged with it, and believe me, it is a lead pipe cinch.

I have a slight further customization in mind, which I think will make it even more deadly.

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How can you make a "great" marked deck?
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A lot depends on your definition of "great".

You can make a good marked deck using a razor, transfer lettering and other methods...But, all these techniques result in a deck that is generally called "cut-out" or "block out work".

All block-out and cut-out work may be easily detected by using the "gambliers riffle test", sometimes called "going to the movies" and other names.

The most deceptive marked cards on the market today is either Juice or Luminous. Both or which are expensive to find or make a "great" marked deck.

In addition, Juice and luminous is overkill for most magicians unless they have the most demanding and/or knowledgeable audiences.
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To my mind, juice and luminous decks are most at home at the card table. Either as "legitimate" cheating or for gambling (pseudo-magic) demonstrations. For a traditional magic performance juice decks seem to be overkill.

I have performed for a lot of people and only once did someone know about the "gambler's riffle test". This same person also knew about juice decks. These results may not be representative but I'd wager that anyone that knows about the gambler's riffle test is also savvy enough to know about juicing decks as well.

Regardless what type of marked decks you use, the absolute best way to minimize detection is to only use them for those effects that are layered in such a way that even if someone could deconstruct that the deck was marked, that fact alone would NOT be enough to deconstruct the entire effect.

Most effects that make use of marked decks can be handled via sleights and other chickanery to obviate their use.
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Hmmm never imagined about using a razor, sounds like a good idea.
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On 2010-10-25 15:24, CardCutter wrote:
Hmmm never imagined about using a razor, sounds like a good idea.


Just be aware that a razor works well...but, has 2 downsides:

1) Looks like "cut-out" work which can be detected with the gambler riffle test
2) If light hits the cards from an angle, people will be able to see the damaged finish which you marked the card.

But, as Steven K. stated....this technique to mark cards works will work well for most magic effects because the audience is probably not looking for marks anyway.

I personally, like fooling "those in the know" and tend to overkill for maximum deception Smile Of course, every person knows their own audience.
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