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Peo Olsson Inner circle Stockholm, Sweden 3260 Posts |
As I have earlier stated in a previous thread, I have received a buch of gaffed coins lately. Shell, flipper, c/s, sun & moon etc. Now Im curious to know what your favourite gaff is Ãe. the one you are using the most. Up to know I only have had scotch & soda, and c,s,b myself, where the last one was my favourite, using Paul Green's version from his DVD, "In The Trenches".
So lets hear what yours is now.
Pictured to the left my hero and me during FISM 2006 in Stockholm.
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
PEO, To be honest, you shouldn't care too much what anybody else’s favorite gimmick is.
Thing is, ask 20 people and you'll get 15 to 20 different answers and preferences. Some of course would and can make you think, but still it can't/shouldn't override your OWN feeling/judgment of what's good for you to use. Find your own preference and -of course- listen to what others think their is, but don't count too much on their opinion, as it is based on sooo may factors, also depending on their own level of expertise/knowledge and way of handling these specific gimmicks. An example. I want to buy a new car and ask 10 people which one they think is best. They babble and babble, praising 10 (probably) different cars. What do I get out of it? ZERO! I have to make my own decision regarding what *I* prefer and what *I* like… mostly the recommendations can't get used the slightest, as they mostly all are going in different directions depending on THESE people needs and preferences. They not necessarily are MY preferences!!! It is interesting to know what different peoples favorite gimmick -in this case- is, but can you use that knowledge to anything? To be honest, I doubt it. It's purely academic to know, it's like statistics… useless info, more or less. Just me humble thoughts on the ever so popular popping up questions like: Who is the best regarding this and that... What is the best this and that.... and so on. and so on... All these questions are *fillers* with soley entertaining value, but without any practical value at all.. They are the opinion of a couple indivÃdual people, all thinking in their own way regarding this. What is the best retention vanish (apart from Mikey Silvers) ? What is the best pass... What is the best double lift... Who does the best top change… There is NO answer to any of these questions as the answer depends on so many factors... Who's the prettiest girl in they world? The list could go on and on. Keep those questions coming. I enjoy scanning forward to the next topic -and hopefully more interesting topic- with hopefully more intelligent questions.. (NO pun intended regarding YOUR question, it's a general remark regarding all these *who and what is the *best*..)
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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sullivanl Loyal user 277 Posts |
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On 2005-11-01 03:42, Peo Olsson wrote: Hum... I guess it depends on the situation. For a stand up type routine in a crowded environment, the flipper. For a more intimate sit-down performance possibly the csb. |
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Rob Elliott Elite user Reston VA 487 Posts |
Love that Sun and Moon!
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Blenderboy New user Texas 55 Posts |
I like the old Eraser coin effect by David Roth. I've always had to get the coins custom made, but it's a simple handling, very visual and it plays well to a broad age group.
I also have this effect I call My Favorite Coin where I have a coin worn down in a few spots (nowhere that would hint at any sleights) and then I talk about how I practiced with the coin so much I wore it down and then, of course, switch in a new one after explain how I got so good at magic after practicing so much. I guess that's not gaffed or gimmicked so much. I guess for an actual gimmicked coin, I like any Slippery Sam but mainly because I use it to ditch other gimmicks. Incidentally, Werner, couldn't disagree with you more. The fact that you'll get 20 different answers from 20 different people on a thread like this is *why* you ask the questions. I, for one, would love to know what people are using and what they like. That's how I find out about stuff I haven't tried yet. I wouldn't be trying to buy Triple Threat coin set if I hadn't found out about it on a thread like this. So thanks for the interesting question Peo! |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
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On 2005-11-01 14:22, Blenderboy wrote: That's Ok..no problem..I love disagreements and a discussion, that's partly the reason I put my thoughts forward THAT strong..it get's 'honest' reactions..and food for thought, especially for me. The 'triple treat' thing I actually have known for quite some time before it was mentioned here in this thread, so that's not -in my case- the reason I follow questions like the original one.. Unfortunately I still think, *I* have to make up my own mind even after having heared 20 diff. opinions..though some of those most likely can have an influence on a decission, OTOH, they also can probably confuse more then being a *guide*.. You se, when *we* *magicians* judge something, a routine, a presentation, anything like that, it is with the (hopefully extensive) knowledge we have as a background. It is not always/seldom the same as how an innocent spectator is judging ... Meaning, they don't care for that beautiful sleight one has practised a lifetime, if the effect isn't understandable, fun and easy to follow. The old haunted handkerchief -can't recall what it's called- makes a bigger impact on specs then a well performed coins across (IMHO). But, these things are hard to understand for fellow magicians, especially when they are a bit new to the field..they want the clever and complicated stuff, the long drawn out miracles, that gets normal specs fall asleep as they simply can't follow all the ongoing actions.. The reason they (the performers) don't discover this is, that they seldom perform for that kind of spec..they perform mostly for fellow magicians.. One of the reasons I posted as I posted re the question of what ones favourite gaff is, can be read between the above lines.. Too much attention payed re that gaff in use..what about the effect on the specs..? Many great effects though become more, much more deceptive by use of a gaff, but that was not the question.. What about a question like: Which of the effects you perform and have proven to play well before an audience, and gave you big success, was depending on the use of a gaff and so your magic was much more deceptive..and which gaff was that, what was the effect ? Now this would be an entirely different matter and question! Here one would judge out from the reaction of the spectators watching a miracle and ONE of the reasons they loved it and got deadly deceived was due to the use of this and that gaff. Se the difference? The difference is if WE love a gaff, call it *our* favourite, because of *OUR* judgement. The other option is that the specs did LOVE an effect and got deceived because of the use of a certain gaff.. Maybe the above lines have explained and made my thoughts and responce re the original question a tiny bit more clear. It wasn't just to be *nasty*... The thing is, one not always can post several sides of explanations re ones thoughts, it is necessary for the reader to read between the lines..
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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rayg1952 Regular user 200 Posts |
Scotch and Soda
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Blenderboy New user Texas 55 Posts |
Wow...you must be one hell of a Magician there Werner. You have that whole patter thing down cold. Do I see the difference? Yep, I got it. You big mighty highbrow magician man, me piddly little enthusaist. Ok, I got it now. Thanks!
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Rob Johnston Inner circle Utah 2060 Posts |
I am going to stick to the classics and go with my Expanded Shell set.
"Genius is another word for magic, and the whole point of magic is that it is inexplicable." - Margot Fonteyn
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
My favorite gaffed set is the Alchemists fantasy. You did say favorite didn't you, PEO? I didn't see "Best" anywhere.....
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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tbaer Inner circle Pennsylvania 2004 Posts |
Coin Unique for me and Lassen's flipper.
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Peo Olsson Inner circle Stockholm, Sweden 3260 Posts |
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On 2005-11-01 19:27, Josh Riel wrote: Yes indeed I said "favourite", and nothing else...
Pictured to the left my hero and me during FISM 2006 in Stockholm.
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Bob Johnston Inner circle Philadelphia, PA 1251 Posts |
Peo Olsson:
You deserve a simple answer to your simple question. For me, Chinatown Half, (Todd Lassen’s silver dollar size.) Bob |
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Peo Olsson Inner circle Stockholm, Sweden 3260 Posts |
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On 2005-11-01 21:25, tbaer wrote: tbaer, what is your thoughts about Lassen's flipper? I got one as well in the bunch of coins I got. In particular I'm interested to know what differences it is, if any, between Lassen's flipper and the Schoolcraft flipper.
Pictured to the left my hero and me during FISM 2006 in Stockholm.
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Blenderboy New user Texas 55 Posts |
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I'm interested to know what differences it is, if any, between Lassen's flipper and the Schoolcraft flipper. I've only seen someone handle a Lassen Flipper. I own a Schoolcraft. I know I'll probably get flayed alive for saying this, but the Lassen flipper looked very similar to the Schoolcraft flipper I have. I'd love to get my hands on a Lassen Flipper to really inspect the difference also (and I've tried to do just that), but I can tell you the Schoolcraft flipper I have is out and away the best flipper I've handled personally. From what I saw of the Lassen flipper I'm sure I'd be similarly impressed. I didn't list it as my favorite gaffed coin only because I don't do a ton of stuff with a flipper although I do use it frequently. Either way you go, I would say these higher quality flippers--whether Schoolcraft or Lassen--are definately worth the extra money. |
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Peo Olsson Inner circle Stockholm, Sweden 3260 Posts |
Blenderboy,
My thoughts exactly, to get them both (Schoolcraft in my case), to be able to compare them and find out if there are any important differences.
Pictured to the left my hero and me during FISM 2006 in Stockholm.
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: Oh sorry my friend..I should have realized I was talking to a 'newbie', those generaly don't think that much about the 'magic' behind the 'magic'..
On 2005-11-01 17:51, Blenderboy wrote: Rest assured, I'm NOT a hell of a magician, but I 'think' about magic. If yoy want to se how 'magic' should look like, with or without the use of a gimmick, have a look at : http://www.youtube.com/?v=bFGB9BarpYQ or any other of the URLs I have posted on the Café, not to brag, but just to show the praxis behind the theory you dislike so much, as I could read in your posting.. Don't fail to se also: http://www.youtube.com/?v=0MCI0jAj0ps which shows magic can be done without any gaff. I don't care if you like any of what I do on these captures, I just use it to illustrate my points and view on what I said. It's not your 'favourite' gimmick that does the trick, there is much more to it! Now let me se some of YOUR 'gimmicks' doing 'magic', I'm looking forward to it...
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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Blenderboy New user Texas 55 Posts |
Oh so you want to have a magician's dual, eh? Ok. let's polish off our wands. You'll turn me into a toad, I'll turn you into wombat. What next? Will you turn me into someone who can stay awake during your videos? Can I turn you into someone who has a clue that he's making points that the ancient Egyptians were bored with?
Oh I get your point, Mr. Werner. My great aunt Matilda got your point---it's that old, dead, and buried. Are you through with the cranky old man bit yet? Can we get back to having fun now? |
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JTW Special user Florida 670 Posts |
This is turning into another bash thread.
Werner makes some really good points. I think one important one that isn' written here but may have been implied: Part of studying our art is the journey we take. Many of us that started learning before the internet came along. We could find something in a book and fool the heck out of people (magicians) miles around us. Now we read a post here and it makes us more aware of more things that are out there. It takes some of that journey away. Blenderboy you said it yourself that you like these posts because you can go out and try new things...that someone else is already using. That certainly isn't bad and I don't mean to imply it is. It does take away from the "magic" some of us older magicians experienced reading through books and stumbling on something that no one in our area was widely knowledgeable about. Blender and Werner you could go back and forth making snide comments about each other. THAT is less constructive than the original question could ever be! Take it from someone that has gotten themselves into a number of verbal back and forths- Please Stop! So I can't be accused of hijacking the thread... My favorite gaff is probably copper/silver. It offers a lot of magic in a number of situations and isn't prone to breaking. Cheers, JTW |
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Blenderboy New user Texas 55 Posts |
With respects, JTW, the point I'm trying to make is that Mr. Werner's point was obvious from the getgo. So obvious that it's pretty clear that his post is less about making any points and more about flexing his "older and wiser magician" muscles. Yes, I've gone off topic a bit, but I did so in defence of a legitimate question. Mr. Werner immediately flew off by presuming what Peo should or shouldn't care about, and by proxy what the rest of us should or shouldn't care about.
My point is simply that WE KNOW the benefits of doing effects without gimmicks and gaffs. It's been said over and over and over and over...............AND over and over and over.......we GET it. Thank you! Nevertheless, gaffs and gimmicks are part of the coin magic world and some of us would love to know what other people are using. It would be ever so nice if the Geezer club didn't lord over those of use that enjoy dabbling with gimmicks and gaffs every time it's brought up. That said, my apologies to all for speaking up in the first place. Next time I'll do what everyone else seems to have done...ignore it and move on. |
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