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Carlos Hampton
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I have to say that I really like the chop cup concept. Even without the chop, I am currently studying jiggernaut. What I need to find is a presentation that gets away of the "Where is the ball concept" and doesn't place the viewers on a hunting mode.

Does any of the chop-cup experts know any routines out there that are not based on "look how smart I am, and how stupid you are". Any help will be appreciated.
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In the Mark Wilson "Course of Magic", you have some great routines with a chop cup, who are not based on the concept "where is the ball"
These routines are more like a "classic" Cups and Balls" routine, you use four balls that travel from your hands to the cup, with a final load at the end.
I hope it will help you a little Carlos.
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Thanks, I'll look it up.
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Frank,

I just did. In my opinion is also challenging, not as much, but it is. I am amazed that 99.9% of the chop cup routines are based on challenge.
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You're right. not as much. it was good enough for me.
there's enough "other stuff" to cover up the challenge.

you can probably modify he patter somewhat.
maybe you can solicit the help of the spectator because YOU always get caught not seeing it happen. Make yourself be the goat.

I love the routine. Also check out his cups and balls routine for some great patter justifying the little red ball.
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I like the Don Alan concept. It is a challenge, but not in an aggressive way. It's playful and the audience is only questioned once on the location of the ball and he makes a big joke out of it in the end because he leads into this BS explanation which ends in the forst final load, allowing PERFECT misdirection or redirection....for the second load. Check it and ALL of his other material out. well worth it. He is one of those guys that when you get into magic, you know who he is. But until you STUDY his material and philosophy you can't even begin to grasp his concepts. If you do close up magic, DON ALAN should be a role model or guiding hand in your work.

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Carlos, just have a look on the Merlyn T Shute booklet: "How to book of the chop cup".
You will find some funny routines with coins, handkerchief, the Larry Jennings final load, and some other interesting things.
You can purchase this book by Morrissey magic on their website.
I'm keeping on searching in my archives department....Smile .....
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Ummm, my routine, "Would You Be Impressed?" Isn't based on a challenge at all. It's based on, well, can I impress you?

Of course I wrote it for the mini and completely in the hands, but it could be adapted for the normal size.
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If you want to see the original patter for the chop cup, it is in Tarbell 6, on page 39.

Anyone besides me notice an interesting trend about Don Alan?
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On 2005-11-09 05:36, rikbrooks wrote:
Ummm, my routine, "Would You Be Impressed?" Isn't based on a challenge at all. It's based on, well, can I impress you?

Of course I wrote it for the mini and completely in the hands, but it could be adapted for the normal size.


Good thinking Rik. That certainly tones it down a bit, eh?
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...Anyone besides me notice an interesting trend about Don Alan?
Don't know exactly what you mean Bill, but IMHO Don Alan didn't use *patter* in the sense it is requested here..he talked with and to his specs instead, without using the 'patter' *some* ppl prefer:
*When I once was in China, I meet this elderly gentleman walking around with a cup in his right hand...
He also had a stick under his arm and I approached him wondering what he did use the bowl and the stick for....
My thoughts where he might use the cup for eating his soup...
Son, he said...*
Bla bla bla..maybe not that bad, but not the style of ppl like Don Alan and others..not the style of Al Goshman, Fred Kaps aso aso. either Smile
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On 2005-11-09 11:09, Bill Palmer wrote:
Anyone besides me notice an interesting trend about Don Alan?


Stevens has a really great video (Greater Magic Library Videos) of Don Alan doing most all of his classic tricks. It's a great DVD, not just of the tricks, but also for his presentation. He was a master entertainer. Did you know him, Bill?
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I, too, wanted to take a bit of the sting out of the classic chop cup routine. Unfortunately, that meant that I had to completely rewrite the patter to suit me. In doing this, I found myself adopting a "magician in trouble" type of vibe. I deliver it as though I bought this odd little cup that does strange things and even I can't explain it.

Something along the lines of, "I try to put this ball in my pocket, but the cup keeps stealing it back!" Then I act all flustered and at a loss. Then I say things like, "Fine! You want the little ball? Here, take it!" And then suddenly the cup doesn't want the ball and it keeps making it go back to my pocket.

As for the final loads, I talk about how the cup will sometimes really get in a mood and start spitting out all kinds of wierd stuff.

This approach seems to get the audience on my side, as though they feel for my plight. I try to make it funny so the specs have several good laughs.

But I agree that the challenge aspect of most chop cup routines puts the specs on edge and ultimately that is a turn off.

Hope this makes sense.

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On 2005-11-09 11:09, Bill Palmer wrote:
Anyone besides me notice an interesting trend about Don Alan?


Stevens has a really great video (Greater Magic Library Videos) of Don Alan doing most all of his classic tricks. It's a great DVD, not just of the tricks, but also for his presentation. He was a master entertainer. Did you know him, Bill?


Yes. I knew Don very well.

According to Senator Crandall -- Don had very clever ears.
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I reworked my patter to this - it's very hard to avoid a challenge, but I think the question has to be 'where is the challenge placed?' - so in my current routine, I'm telling the story of a magician I once saw who tried to catch me out with a find the ball routine and did so (leading up to the loads at the end when I 'think I've figured it out') - I've found that this places the audience on my side and makes the whole thing more of a bit of fun we're sharing than a 'look, I'm clever and you aren't'.

Works for me.
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You could make up a story about a three shell man who lost his props and had to make do with a cup he found. the guy was so good he didn't need the other two shells (cups).
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I have a chop cup routine being born in my mind right now. Imagine a story about finding this magical cup on the beach. You found that, since you were in a bathing suit and had no pockets, there was a ball. Yet every time you picked up the cup while wearing pants, the ball was not in the cup, but in the pocket. Isn't that odd? No pockets, the ball is in my hand, pockets and that's where you'll find it. It just confused me. I also discovered that sometimes it would go from my pocket to the cup, and from the cup to the other pocket. Of course it wouldn't stay in that other pocket, sometimes it was, excuse me, behind your ear. There it is, or not. No, in fact it's under the cup, where it always was.

Lift the cup to show the final load. Drop the final load into their hand to load the other final load. Hmmm, sounds like it's worth working with.
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I say that I play hide and seek with the ball, a different version...
As usual, I drop the ball into the cup and do the regular shaking. That´s to make the ball dizzy. Now the ball has to guess if it´s in my pocket or under the cup.
The audience should try and help the ball.

That´s how I do it.

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Some routines I have seen are pretty boring with drawn out story lines. The story gets too involved and not enough magic going on to keep up with the story. People have a short attention span and they will lose interest if the story is too drawn out. The routine needs to be direct and to the point ala don allan and no longer than 45 sec IMO. I'm not saying copy don allans routine, but it is great and is straight to the point, the best way to go.

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