The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » New to magic? » » Magician = Actor????? (0 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page [Previous]  1~2
The Great Dave
View Profile
Regular user
My Wife said "It's Me or that Stupid Magic Website!" this many times.
189 Posts

Profile of The Great Dave
I have always done a switch on the Monte because you are exactly right - nobody wants to lose and it leaves a bad taste. What I do is put my own money on the table and state that you can have it if you find the money card. When the spectator comes up empty I tell them that to thank them for their participation they can take the money anyway. You can do it for a quarter and get the same response as a dollar bill. Best wishes, Dave
Academy of Magical Arts

Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat! Whoops, wrong hat ...
tonycrew
View Profile
New user
UK
81 Posts

Profile of tonycrew
I too use stories to present some tricks... I even say I don't know how it works and act amazed myself.. I even sometimes act confused. I only hope I am convincing it's hard to tell what people see when your doing your trick.. and I find with some tricks it's better to start of with a little story and to let them know that I don't understand how it happens myself.
How can i perform magic i have 10 thumbs..?
My wife says i'm addicted to cards and love them more than her... I say no i'm not my Queen of Diamonds you know you'll always be 1st in my Ace of Hearts...
toolman22
View Profile
New user
55 Posts

Profile of toolman22
Practice your patter, and have great confedence in you magic. When your doing a trick try to picture the card really dissappearing.
bigchuck
View Profile
Veteran user
Nothing clever has ever been said in my
400 Posts

Profile of bigchuck
'triumph' is a good magician in trouble plot so is 'that's it' by eddie fechter.
"The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact
mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. - Frank Zappa"
Frank Tougas
View Profile
Inner circle
Minneapolis, MN
1712 Posts

Profile of Frank Tougas
You will find a of difference performing for friends or family and performing for a "general" audience. First they came to be entertained while your friends may have felt roped into or worse, obligated to watch. Second, that old adage, familiarity breeds contempt, may be in force. Regular people understand (usually)there is an agreed upon area upon which it is considered impolite to tread. Friends and family have no problems crossing that border.

As for acting = Magician, it is a myth. While certain techniques may be shared, and more venues than techniques, the magician and his/her character is always aware there is an audience, where an actor may know but his/her charcter doesn't.

Yes, yes there are exceptions - but they are exceptions (He spoke as an aside to the audience).

Very few magicians have successfully crossed over into acting. McBride did a masked character on Star Trek TNG, and David Copperfield made his film debut and swan song on Terror Train. My mind is blanking on the most successful of crossovers. He wrote Cards as Weapons, and did a one man show _______ and his 52 Assistants. Someone will help fill in the blank.

Study some of the (dare I say it) Clowns in the Cirque Solei (sp?) Where surprised looks, and reactions to situations is the comedy.

Frank Tougas
Frank Tougas The Twin Cities Most "Kid Experienced" Children's Performer :"Creating Positive Memories...One Smile at a Time"
magicalaurie
View Profile
Inner circle
Ontario, Canada
2914 Posts

Profile of magicalaurie
Shakespeare was and is often played to the audience. The Globe Theatre- huge audience interaction there. I think his works and characters may be a gray area, or not, in terms of awareness of audience, Frank. Someone else may be more qualified, or not Smile, than I to speak to that. Smile
Frank Tougas
View Profile
Inner circle
Minneapolis, MN
1712 Posts

Profile of Frank Tougas
Snidely Whiplash: (as an aside to the audience) Nnayahah I knew someone would bring up Shakespeare.

Certainly you can not argue the average magician is a good actor? Then again to those who study acting - everything is acting. To those who study art - everything is art. To those in the theater everything is theater. And to those who study magic - everything is...psychology! (I told you we were a weird lot) Smile

BTW: Ricky Jay was the one I could not remember.

Frank Tougas
Frank Tougas The Twin Cities Most "Kid Experienced" Children's Performer :"Creating Positive Memories...One Smile at a Time"
The Great Dave
View Profile
Regular user
My Wife said "It's Me or that Stupid Magic Website!" this many times.
189 Posts

Profile of The Great Dave
As soon as you are in front of someone else and they are watching you - you are an actor. All the world is a stage... Best wishes, Dave
Academy of Magical Arts

Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat! Whoops, wrong hat ...
magicalaurie
View Profile
Inner circle
Ontario, Canada
2914 Posts

Profile of magicalaurie
Quote:
On 2005-12-18 03:58, Frank Tougas wrote:
Certainly you can not argue the average magician is a good actor? Frank Tougas


Well, I've tried, Frank. Smile Perhaps we all should strive to be above average. Smile
Frank Tougas
View Profile
Inner circle
Minneapolis, MN
1712 Posts

Profile of Frank Tougas
Laurie, I live in the land of Lake Woebegone, where everyone is above average. SmileAnd to the great Dave, you've never stopped to watch a bafoon? How about an accident at the side of the road? If your definition of actor is true, you are insulting all those who spend a great deal of time and effort to achieve excellence in that profession.

I am not saying acting ability would not benefit the magician, I truly think that it would. I just contend that being one does not make one the other.

Frank Tougas
Frank Tougas The Twin Cities Most "Kid Experienced" Children's Performer :"Creating Positive Memories...One Smile at a Time"
Al Schneider
View Profile
V.I.P.
A corn field in WI surrounded by
1080 Posts

Profile of Al Schneider
A couple of small ponts.
Frank went to a high school that specialized in teaching art.
He went to college to teach art.
He taught art and magic for several years before becoming a psychologist.

To those that say anything before someone is acting surely must be aware of the logic in that if everything is red there is no such color. Is the villian on stage that acts as if he murders someone the same as a murder on the street that shoots someone? Are they both acting? Isn't acting defined as that which acts in lieu of some real action. Based on this person's definition, there is no real action.

Another question.

If a magician does magic that the audience sees through, is he still acting, is it still art and is it still entertaining?

Isn't art created by the process of observing? To those that speak fondly of art and acting, you speak as if you create the emotional aspect of all of this. You seem to disregard the power of the audience to make up their own minds.

Some people I have talked to see no art at all. They see people dumping coins over the edge of the table and putting the lid "of that little pill box" on the bottom of the box. This is art?

Al Schneider
Magic Al. Say it fast and it is magical.
magicalaurie
View Profile
Inner circle
Ontario, Canada
2914 Posts

Profile of magicalaurie
Al,

I just give my take on things. I'm an observer- and an ACTOR Smile Smile- and I call things like I see 'em. I've seen some magicians that ARE fabulous actors. The audience has the prerogative to decide, for sure. It's not a BLACK and WHITE issue. I agree.
The Great Dave
View Profile
Regular user
My Wife said "It's Me or that Stupid Magic Website!" this many times.
189 Posts

Profile of The Great Dave
Frank - and Al,
All the World's a Stage is a song lyric by the rock band Shakey Willey and His Spears from about 1616 A.D. Here is a link to the Band ...

http://www.allshakespeare.com/quotes/260


Best Wishes, Dave
Academy of Magical Arts

Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat! Whoops, wrong hat ...
Frank Tougas
View Profile
Inner circle
Minneapolis, MN
1712 Posts

Profile of Frank Tougas
Dave,

It is NOT a quote by Billy Shakespeare:
(To be spoken with great authority) "But it is indeed a line from a play, oft quoted and misunderstood by those who whoudst only rely on e-notes. Gadzooks! it was spoken not by Mr. Shakespeare, but by a chracter of whome he wrote in a play. Jaques, a pesimest at best, presents but his ramblings on how his philosophy is paired with that view with which he takes of the world. It is not, as you woudst have us infer, a scollarly dissertaion on that which we woudst call a thespian. However, despite your paltry attempt to cut me to the quick, I thankest you for the try." (Exit Stage Left).

Frank Tougas
Frank Tougas The Twin Cities Most "Kid Experienced" Children's Performer :"Creating Positive Memories...One Smile at a Time"
magicalaurie
View Profile
Inner circle
Ontario, Canada
2914 Posts

Profile of magicalaurie
Seems a little like Much Ado About Nothing Smile
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » New to magic? » » Magician = Actor????? (0 Likes)
 Go to page [Previous]  1~2
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2021 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.14 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL