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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
Just did a show at a community center for fforty or fifty folk. Asked how many saw the P&T special last night and a dozen or so raised their hands (which is a dozen or so more that I got when I asked the same question last month about Chris Angel). I then asked how many liked the show and nearly all of them said they did.
So at least in my neck of the woods P&T are doing better than Mr. Angel.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
Quote: On 2005-11-14 23:04, MagicMan1957 wrote:
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
Just when the audience thinks it knows how everything is done, they develop a seed of doubt and that's the opportunity a good magician will exploit.
POOF!
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pikacrd Veteran user Florida 387 Posts |
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On 2005-11-14 11:38, Pete Biro wrote: Pete, With all due respect for you and others, this is your opinion and is not shared by everyone. Art is a question of taste much like fine wine. What I like you may not but to say that they have no respect for others “the art” and I can only assume that you are talking about magic, is just your opinion and not fact. It is obvious that they have amounts of skill and inelegance far beyond the average magician or they would have never achieved the level of success that they have. You don’t like them; don’t watch! Regarding the Anti-Religious activities, uhm yup I tend to agree with you based on my views that it was in poor taste (I could make a joke here about that taste but that would be even worse so I won't) but here is the thing, just as you have your ability to show your opinion so do they. I honestly all joking aside found it to be a bit on the extreme side but I support freedom of choice and expression and just because one or even one hundred people did not like it does not mean that they should not have done it. Tarred and Feathered and run out of town??? Come on wake up and join this century boss. I seem to remember a few quotes that are topical and that I am sure will make me sound like a super liberal but such is life: Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. ~Abraham Lincoln The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen. ~Tommy Smothers Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too. ~Voltaire Obscenity is not a quality inherent in a book or picture, but is solely and exclusively a contribution of the reading mind, and hence cannot be defined in terms of the qualities of a book or picture. ~Theodore Schroeder Censorship feeds the dirty mind more than the four-letter word itself. ~Dick Cavett All art requires courage. ~Anne Tucker
“Indubitably, Magic is one of the subtlest and most difficult of the sciences and arts. There is more opportunity for errors of comprehension, judgment and practice than in any other branch of physics”. William S. Burroughs 1914-1997 American Writer
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Alex Linian Inner circle Peru 1277 Posts |
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On 2005-11-15 10:26, kregg wrote: Exactly...Derren brown does the same thing, stating he's not psychic. He then goes onto blow their minds with psychic-like demonstrations A lot of people still think he is the real thing.
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pikacrd Veteran user Florida 387 Posts |
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On 2005-11-14 19:14, daffydoug wrote: Quote:
Response #1: I think that you will find that you are wrong here if you actually do your homework. People always assume that Penn is the “holder of the key” so to speak when it comes to the magic but take a deeper look and you will see the Teller is probably one of the greatest technical magicians living. As far as P&T’s view points I will not put words into there mouths as to who’s view points are being expressed but I would assume that given the fact that they are a team Teller’s views are not being ignored. Quote:
Response #2: A lot of the magic that is around today is cheesy, and the way that some of it is presented is even cheesier. Do you actually think that you could get away with performing most of what was presented in the past today???? Probably not people are more sophisticated today than what they were 100 years ago. That is not to say that some of the classics of magic do not hold up but take a long look at some of the old books, think that you could get away with even 20% of what was in Dunnenger’s book on illusions? Probably not. Is a lot of magic outdated in my opinion yes. Quote:
Response #3: So what are you attempting to say here; if you had the money and influence that P&T have you would not enjoy it? Of course they do, thank you very much captain obvious. Pushing magicians buttons is part of the humor if you don’t get it or don’t like it don’t watch it, don’t buy a ticket to the show the next time you are in Vegas, don’t watch Showtime but why complain about it? Is it because you have not gotten to that point in your career? Quote:
Response #4: Little respect for the art??? Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea of what you are talking about or are you just idly tapping away at your keyboard without thinking? I would think that with the millions of dollars spent creating there show that this is more than a “mere game” to them, it is there livelihood. Have you ever seen them perform live? Do you even know anything about them or what it is that they do? Breaking the rules you say Hmmm what part of the title BAD BOYS OF MAGIC don’t you get? Quote:
Response #5: You are killing me here. Reading this is like talking to my 2 year old about why she has to go to bed. The Sub-Trunk has been exposed over and over and over again. But the fact is that even with the exposure of the trunk that they showed 99% of the lay crowd watching still would not be able to explain how the Pendragons do it or even a local magician, because it is presented differently with a different style of trunk. The shock value of there episodes is only felt by magicians who do not get the humor in it and I am sure that P&T do get some pleasure out of it, but more for the fact that you don’t understand the humor behind it. Quote:
Response #6: Please god let them hold up that middle finger to this post. Quote:
Response #7: Well think about it, it is kind of a a stupid trick, who really cares? Do you think that anyone really cares? Sure it is kind of neat when performed well but other than that I am not sure if anyone really thinks about it. Quote:
Response #8: You need to lighten up. Quote:
Response #9: Those are your words not P&T’s. I am sure that today somewhere a magician is going to do one of those tricks and will blow it exposing it to his audience, not on purpose mind you but never the less it will be exposed. It happens all the time people get involved in magic, don’t practice and screw up the effects. It even happens to pros. Quote:
Response #10: You are kidding me you can not actually believe the stuff that you are spewing on to the web this has to be a joke. OK the joke is on me because I spent the time and responded and I am dumber for it. Quote:
“Indubitably, Magic is one of the subtlest and most difficult of the sciences and arts. There is more opportunity for errors of comprehension, judgment and practice than in any other branch of physics”. William S. Burroughs 1914-1997 American Writer
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
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On 2005-11-14 23:23, Alex Linian wrote: I would think laymen watching the show would leave with even MORE respect for the art ... they practiced like six hours, and it didn't work once? In fact, the only time it did actually work was in front of a live audience ... I'd like to hear more statements like that on TV, the general public has no clue as to what goes into performing an illusion. JoeJoe
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Michael Dustman Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 1220 Posts |
First of all, I am sure their best friend Mac King would have a thing or two to say to them about the Cut and Restored Rope routine.
Second of all, while riding the Metro in DC yesterday, I heard 4 people discussing the show and they really liked it. I stayed out of it but the comical debate of not knowing helicoptors could lift that much weight had me cracking up. Later on in the office, 3 co-workers were talking about and really enjoyed it to. So laypeople did like it regardless. |
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Randwill Inner circle 1914 Posts |
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On 2005-11-15 17:35, Michael Dustman wrote: I can't believe a forum of magicians doesn't recognize patter when they hear it. When Penn says the Cut and Restored Rope is a stupid trick, this is his character, a bad boy who hates magic and magicians, speaking. |
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Michael Dustman Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 1220 Posts |
My point exactly. Thanks for reemphasizing.
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cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1157 Posts |
I find Penn & Teller entertaining more often than not, but there is one thing:
Agreeing to let Aaron Carter - I guess he's the latest coprporate-developed superstar hopeful? - be featured on this show has disqualified P&T from ever again criticizing anybody for being "cheesy" or "a sellout". |
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
My two cents...P&T's friends in magic are the ones making millions in magic...just a thought. The haters have colorful apparatus in their shows.
NP
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Starrpower Inner circle 4070 Posts |
I'm kinda curious what P&T would think if someone blatantly exposed their "Bullet Catch." It's the one trick they must be really proud of, because it's serious, not a parody, and they don't expose it. It's also a real snooze to watch.
Personally, I think the special was a low point in their careers. It had very little originality and lacked the creativeness of their early work. To simply go on TV and expose a bunch of other people's stuff is pretty lame; being underwater simply wasn't different enough to push it over the top. It's not even original; in Paul Osborne's books he's posing with props made of plastic for an underwater magic show (even a Sub Trunk!), and that's probably 25 years ago. I'm not really mad about it, more disappointed that 2 hours of TV time was wasted on a really lousy show. Let's face it, this special was made strictly because they are a "name" act. Any one of us could have approached a network with this same show and been given the bum's rush. If it took a dive int he ratings, it'll make it harder to sell another magic show to television (BTW, how were the overnight ratings elsewhere?) Perhaps last night we saw the beginning of the end of the "Golden Age" of magic? |
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gkfreed Special user 532 Posts |
I can't believe a forum of magicians doesn't recognize patter when they hear it. When Penn says the Cut and Restored Rope is a stupid trick, this is his character, a bad boy who hates magic and magicians, speaking.
[/quote] This was one of the best part of the show for me. Penn stated that cutting a rope was stupid (because it doesn't mean anything!)..He then goes on to cut the divers oxygen hose! Same trick, but now there's something at stake. C'mon guys, meaning in magic is seldom so well displayed! |
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Starrpower Inner circle 4070 Posts |
I don't know. The cut & restored mic cord and cut & restored electrical cord have been around for ages. Doing an underwater-themed show, a C&R O2 hose wasn't exactly a stroke of genius.
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Magicbarry Loyal user Toronto 276 Posts |
I think the show needed one more thing: a stunt -- one that would symbolize what this special represented for their TV careers. I have a specific stunt in mind: Penn and Teller jumping a shark.
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boomassacre New user 38 Posts |
Its true though, I can recall their last special... there was some pretty impressive illusions... especially Teller doing that brick catch inside the cement mixer. This one hardly compared.
I'm telling you the truth, I swear....
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts |
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On 2005-11-16 11:52, Magicbarry wrote: Nice one!!
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
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On 2005-11-15 12:00, pikacrd wrote: Ostensibly...
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
One thing about P&T is they know what makes a lay audience tick ... I wish I understood the lay mind as well as they did. They know how to take something dumb and turn it into something entertaining. The thing about illusions that most magicians don't realize is that most lay people know how they work, they really just don't care to figure them out. They get caught up in the magic moment, which is where the real entertainment value of magic is.
The other interesting thing about P&T is their success as "characters". Actors can change characters, thus they can always be fresh. Mr T is a "character", and we all know how long he lasted. Andrew Diceman Clay is a "character" and his shelf life is up as well. Most characters don't last very long, yet P&T just keep ticking like a timex. They are wearing the exact same suits I saw them in when I was a kid, how do they get away with that I wonder?? Consider ... they have made apperences on The West Wing, Tool Time, Sabrina, Miami Vice, The Drew Carey Show, Hollywood Squares, RUN DMC video, the Simpsons, Babylon 5, My Chauffeur, Car 54, Where Are You?, The View, Listen Up, Trading Spaces, the Muppets, Space Ghost, Just Shoot Me, Fear Factor, Friends, Lois and Clark ... that doesn't include the usual talk shows like the Tonight Show, the Today Show, the The Late Show, Comedy Central, etc etc etc. They have also had numerous specials of their own, a running series on Showtime, hosted New Years Eve for several years ... they have had shows both on Broadway and Off-Broadway, not to mention a running show in magic capital of the world Las Vegas. I may be wrong here, but they are the only magicians I know of that have ever won an Emmy. And what is really amazing is the list above is barely the tip of the ice burgh when it comes to their credits! Love them or hate them, I believe they could very well be the most successful magicians of our time. I don't think they really need our critisim, whatever they are doing works very well for them. JoeJoe
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