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RandyStewart
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On 2005-11-15 21:38, Bill Palmer wrote:
So, why don't we substitute other words?

I really maimed the audience.
I poached them.
I pressure roasted them.
I seriously affected their senses of reality.



OK I managed to crawl back onto my chair after that fit of laughter. I think I'll keep myself amused with "I pressure roasted them". Hehehehe. That is funny.
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Hunted, stalked, tracked, trapped, killed, slaughtered, skewered, smoked, barbecued, roasted, fried, sauted, burped, belched, passed, fondly remembered...

Oddly, are we talking about food?

You wouldn't catch me saying these words in this context around any audience. They would lose their appetite for magic. You can bet your last dollar that I'm thinking them, 'though...
Will you walk into my parlour? said the Spider to the Fly,
Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;
The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,
And I've a many curious things to show when you are there.

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I don't mind the useage of those "violent" words as much as I mind magicians using them when they have clearly bored their audience to tears. Smile

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I guess words like killed, fried, destroyed, etc are popular amongst magicians because they are hyperbolic descriptions, and magicians typically try to push things as far as possible. I don't particularly like the metaphor because it strongly implies asserting power over an audience. However sensitive you may be to the 'humour' or 'irony' or whatever justification you use, the fact is that metaphors shape thought, and dangerous metaphors breed dangerous thoughts. Talking about 'killing' my audience just doesn't provide the right mindset for me.

I think that if young magicians are introduced to magic via such aggressive rhetoric it could encourage them to see magic as a means of feeding their egos and covering their insecurities with their new found 'weapons', which could lead to a lot of very bad, very annoying performers. Or perhaps that's happened already.

On the other hand, I can't see ellusionist selling their products by saying 'Delight your audience!' 'Enlighten your spectators!' 'Provide them with a warm feeling of wonder and joy!'
It just ain't gonna happen. But yes, anyway, metaphors are essential tools of language and if you're not careful with them they can get away from you and cause all sorts of trouble. If you don't believe me read 'Metaphors We Live By' by Lakoff and Johnson.
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On 2005-11-16 14:36, Frank Tougas wrote:
I don't mind the useage of those "violent" words as much as I mind magicians using them when they have clearly bored their audience to tears. Smile


Right on. Pay enough attention to be able to discern whether you killed 'em or died. Smile

Geoff


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On 2005-11-16 15:02, Hostile18 wrote:
On the other hand, I can't see ellusionist selling their products by saying 'Delight your audience!' 'Enlighten your spectators!' 'Provide them with a warm feeling of wonder and joy!'

I think this makes a good point, and ties in with Chance Wolf's thread on "Going all the way". If our audiences have a "pleasant experience" and a "warm feeling," I would suggest we need to go the rest of the way. I don't care what you call it -- kill them, knock them out, blow their minds, hit 'em in the gut, overwhelm their senses, take them to the mountaintop -- but for crying out loud have a loftier objective then a pleasant warm-fuzzy.

I want people saying things like "That was the best show I've ever seen," or "That was so cool." If they say, "That was surprisingly pleasant," I've fallen down on the job somewhere.

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I really "supersized" them.
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I prefer the term PITCHED Smile
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I suppose when the majority is wrong that’s when you find out who the geniuses are. So always go with the minority and you have chance of being regarded as a genius even if you’re a fool. Indeed when you realize there are more fools than geniuses in the world it makes you wonder if the majority is ever right. On that basis I will vote with Alex as he seems to be in a minority.

So now I’m a genius “it begs the question” who do I side with on that term. I have to side with Josh. Just because Whit and Jon and all those who study formal logic think so does mean they are right. Just because their mother and grandmother cut the turkey in half before cooking it they think they have got to do it that way. It begs the question how big was the grandmothers oven.

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On 2005-11-17 02:14, tommy wrote:
I suppose when the majority is wrong that’s when you find out who the geniuses are. So always go with the minority and you have chance of being regarded as a genius even if you’re a fool. Indeed when you realize there are more fools than geniuses in the world it makes you wonder if the majority is ever right. On that basis I will vote with Alex as he seems to be in a minority.

So now I’m a genius “it begs the question” who do I side with on that term. I have to side with Josh. Just because Whit and Jon and all those who study formal logic think so does mean they are right. Just because their mother and grandmother cut the turkey in half before cooking it they think they have got to do it that way. It begs the question how big was the grandmothers oven.

:)


I think the majority are watching television right now. Or maybe sleeping.
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On 2005-11-17 02:14, tommy wrote:...So now I’m a genius “it begs the question” who do I side with on that term. I have to side with Josh. Just because Whit and Jon and all those who study formal logic think so does mean they are right. ...


No problem Tommy, there are lots of good theories about a flat earth, a hollow earth, unicorn sightings and Elvis piloting a UFO for "geniuses" to enjoy. Though to keep their brilliance from blinding the rest of society, some have modestly decided to call themselves "sub-geniuses" and formed the "Church of Bob". Praise be to Bob. Smile
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Thanks for the backhanded compliment Tommy. My mother never cut the turkey in half, she always bought one that would fit whole. I'll tell you the bread she used to bake, pumpkin pie..... those were good days, of course when I was 10 she decided to go on a diet and soon after I had to learn to enjoy P.P.&J. and soup from a can.

Praise be to Bob

However should I have to make a decision of sides in the original topic, I would have to side with me. None the less, were those phrases be meant as euphemisms, I wouldn't mind much. Were the to be an accurate portrayal of events, I would call the police or something.

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I don't think I am that far gone yet but to tell you the truth, because of magic I find myself doubting my own eyes and what I hear. I can't watch the news for example without thiking is it a trick , are they telling the truth etc I think magic is maybe meant in a way to make people stop and think and not just believe everything they read etc. No kidding.

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I did actually, I saw Tommy Cooper die. Strange when I think about it, as he was one person who never died on stage.
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On 2005-11-17 23:55, tommy wrote:
I did actually, I saw Tommy Cooper die. Strange when I think about it, as he was one person who never died on stage.


I should have seen that coming! Smile
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"Just like that!"

Tommy Cooper was truly, truly funny.

BTW, I notice that most of my posts on this thread have been removed, and a lot of the thread doesn't make sense anymore. I am sorry if I said anything that the moderator found offensive, but for the life of me I can't think what it would be.

I did sort of threaten Tommy with d**nation for his siding with Josh, but I hope no one took that seriously--especially you, Tommy. The smiley was meant to indicate I was just kidding.

I hope that you didn't take offense, anyway. If you did I apologize.
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I’m sad I did not get a chance to read it, I’m sure it would have put a smile on my face and I’m certain it would not have not been offensive in any way . I love reading you stuff even when you cut me to bone with your sense of humour. To tell you the truth I only sided with Josh to see your retort.

Censorship of words without taking into account the intent has gone nuts in the world in my opinion.
Do you know the British government are trying to pass a law that forbids you saying things like “Go out and kill them.” Even though your intent might be to encourage a magician to go out and do a great performance. These words under this law could leave you open to be arrested and face 7 years in prison because they say, these words could encourage someone somewhere to terrorism.
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Well I suggested you were going to go to hell for siding with Josh and helping to destroy the foundations of the English language. Smile

But I agree with this last opinion.

Evidently, the deletions were a mistake. They were trying to help Josh rework his post, and ended up cutting everything.

Cheers.
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On 2005-11-18 15:36, tommy wrote:
I only sided with Josh to see your retort.



Gee thanks. I feel used, and dirty.
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Does this mean the person who edited the thread is being killed, fried, toasted, .... and worse, taught to read... ( or at least make backups )

Nope that was not begging the question.
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