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Whit Haydn
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It was a rhetorical question, wasn't it, Jon?

I feel for you, Josh. That Tommy is such a brute. He will pay some day. Smile
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Well, as a pacifist, I do not believe in revenge. However as a deceitful duplicitous evildoer, I may drop an anonymous tip about his rampant communist speech (and whatever else I need to make up) to the U.S. Govt. They are not Pacifists. Therefor my hands will be clean, not unlike the crusades, where the priests killed people with clubs and such so as not to be guilty of "bloodshed"

FYI that was intended as humor.
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"Keep your mouth shut and never rat on anyone."

This is law.

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Below is a private message I sent to Whit Haydn concerning one of the posts he made earlier in this thread. He suggested that I post this here, and hopefully we shall soon see his reply, as well. It's a bit disjointed, but there you are.

Morning sir,

Hope this finds you well. I've been meaning to write this note for a few days. Unfortunately, now that I go back to check my references, I find that the post which provoked my desire to respond has been entirely removed. (speaking of the 'is it right to kill' thread.) The removal itself puzzles me, as I daresay it does you.

That being, I will have to attempt to say something here memory, which will mean relying on the general gist of things, rather than direct quotation.

Last Saturday I returned to the Casino where I work. They have recently completed the construction of a twenty thousand square foot expansion, dubbed an 'Entertainment Center', making them not only the largest Casino in Panama, but the most advanced in terms of attractions. (This was partly a move to compete with the brand new Vegas style hotel/casino that inaugurated a mere four days after our expansion, right next door.)

I was originally given a trial night in the old entertainment area of the Casino to evaluate how I would perform in this 'expansion'. While that trial night evolved into a run of several months (until the area closed for the construction), the main goal was still to put me in the finished expansion. Nonetheless, the last couple of months of construction and delay made me fairly nervous. I’m a wreck of nerves anyhow. Last Saturday night, the first prime night of the expansion, I got the call. The night before I’d been robbed, was fairly shaken up on Saturday morning, and didn’t know I’d be working until about four hours before I had to work, on Saturday afternoon, this being Latin America, and things still being hectic with the opening.

I'm sorry for the backround, but it's the only way I know to set the stage. My bosses are funny. They won't show up for weeks and weeks, and hardly seem to care what happens, but every once in awhile there is a big night, and some heavy is out there, and you have to just knock everyone's socks off on that night, then you're 'the best' again, for months to come. I imagine, however, that if such success is not achieved, the results are rather grim. At any rate, it makes you feel 'do or die'.

Last Saturday was absolutely incredible. The reason I write you, however, was that I was finally able to put my finger on a feeling that has been bugging me through some of these events. The smiles and repeated handshakes of the boss, the clients themselves, of course, friends that saw, friends that heard about it...all great, but I kind of felt, they didn't...get it. Same thing happened to me in other situations, whatever it was; other nights at the Casino, the newspaper, national TV, whatever...I've never really seen anyone sympathize with the incredible tense out pouring of energy that occurs.

I can't even really describe it in words. I completely understand that the public is the way the public is; it's not fair for me to say they don't get it, because honestly, they are reacting and getting exactly what I wish them to get…I mean they respond incredibly…it’s just when they talk to me about my performance…they act like there is something about me which makes it somehow ‘easy’, not for everyone, but it’s as though they take for granted the fact that I am able to do whatever it is that I do…and I just don’t.

I guess what surprises me more, is I've never really heard another magician speak of that place I assume we all go. It kind of had me thinking that maybe I was nuts, I mean, making too big a deal about a couple of hours, reliving the specific moments of tension, horror, glory, and exultation that you can just see over and over, when really one is doing magic tricks in a sinfully synthetic playground for adults.

Then I read your post about some things to do with performing, the reason it gets likened to battle sometimes. While I understand that, I'm not really talking about the battle part, though that certainly works, but some of the descriptors you used there made me think that you sir, indeed 'get it', and quite obviously have been there. I used up most of the writing trying properly get here, and now that I’m here, I wish I could quote, because again, I have difficulty describing it in words, but you did, a little bit. I caught some of that feeling in your words, I think. I seek confirmation of such, I suppose.

Then again you're the fellow that says it's good to be nuts, so maybe we're both barking mad.

I got out of there Saturday night with a high that I've never been able to duplicate with any combination of drugs or alcohol. Some part of me sort of thinks that if I continue to put the energy into this that I do, I’ll be dead by the time I’m twenty-five, but that is just a risk I’ll have to take.

There is no occupation in the world more terrible. (a voice from some novel or movie keeps popping into my head right now, terrible yes, but great!). The very thought of working this evening makes me tremble. And yes I, who have been extraordinary lucky in tasting a little of a great many occupations, know that there is absolutely nothing else in the world that I can see myself doing.

Right?

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What a great post!
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Yes I loved it. I have never been on stage but I felt like I was there when I read that. I have been on TV a few times, that didn't seem to bother me. The most I can remember doing a card trick for is just few guys at a card table. It must be a great feeling but I think I would be terrified. Thanks for telling it, it was a great read.
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I thought it was a great post as well. I wanted Stuart to share it with everyone, since I thought it was right on the money. Here is my response to Suart's PM:

"You got it. That is the great thing about performing--the "high" that you describe is being like totally wired. Your brain is using everything it has to be totally aware of the environment and everyone in it and to manipulate your many masks, your body language, your hands--everything.

"While you are performing and everything is going correctly, you are the master of the world, and can't think of anything at all except the "performance." You are totally in the moment--something that doesn't happen for me usually in real life where I am constantly distracted, divided, unfocused, or seemingly "out to lunch."

"I suspect that I have Adult Attention Deficit Disorder, or slight autism or something. But real life doesn't seem to hold my attention, or at least any kind of focused attention. I am always split and drawn in many different directions at once.

"When I am performing--I am totally involved in the moment, and every part of my brain is working together. It is like a drug.

"I feel like a tiger tracking its prey. I feel alive, focused, and powerful.

"The Great Walenda, the famous tightrope walker, was interviewed at 80 just before he fell off the wire to his death.

"The reporter asked him if he was ever nervous working on the high wire.

"He said, "Young man, I have spent 90 percent of my life, just waiting to go up on that wire!"
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"I suspect that I have Adult Attention Deficit Disorder, or slight autism or something. But real life doesn't seem to hold my attention, or at least any kind of focused attention. I am always split and drawn in many different directions at once.



I am sure this quote describes so many of us but it truly effected me thank you Whit its not a disorder its a gift

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The Zone! You speak of the Zone! When you're there, you know it. If you haven't been, no words of mine could describe it!

Much akin to the hunt, the Zone is a place where hearing and vision sharpen, blood gathers in the heart, lungs, brain, legs, and hands. Blood pressure rises to a healthy level, epinephrine is released so blood sugar will rise to fuel the adrenaline. It's eustress, jack. And those are just the physical responses.

Mental and emotional responses...the mind...the mind spins like a gyroscope, the motor fires on all 8...seek and find...kill or die! Thrive or perish!

Man, I love the chase! And I have the taste for a kill...right now!

It's what fun is all about.
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When I studied Martial Arts, it was referred to as the "flow". One became the dance.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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On 2005-11-19 12:07, Stuart Hooper wrote:
Then again you're the fellow that says it's good to be nuts, so maybe we're both barking mad.


Possible. But I doubt it. Smile
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On 2005-11-20 15:17, Whit Haydn wrote:
"While you are performing and everything is going correctly, you are the master of the world, and can't think of anything at all except the "performance." You are totally in the moment--something that doesn't happen for me usually in real life where I am constantly distracted, divided, unfocused, or seemingly "out to lunch."


Is this a 12-step support group? Because if it is, I think I should be a member. Smile

Hi. My name is Geoff and I'm out to lunch most of the time.....

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"I suspect that I have Adult Attention Deficit Disorder, or slight autism or something. But real life doesn't seem to hold my attention, or at least any kind of focused attention. I am always split and drawn in many different directions at once.


I feel like I could have written this.

As Topper says, maybe there's something to this. "Normal" people don't normally get in front of a group of people and perform the impossible.

Shucks, proof that I'm not normal is that public speaking is something I enjoy. Normal people are scared to death to speak in front of others. I'm the first one to sign up. Definitely some abnormality there. Smile

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