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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
Sorry Gents, been out performing and have little net time. First off, thanks for all the replies. I always have loved the Café as I started here after watching Davids Street magic on tv....
RE:The networks screwed it up with wanting too much attention on the stunts which took away from the magic. IMO: Publicity stunts do just that, gather publicity. D, has become the best name in magic because of them. Don't hate him cause he's more well known then ANY of us! RE: I stated that Criss Angel was a stage magician. Blaine took from JBs style of performing, guess in your world that negates Blaine. IMO: Criss is a good stage magician, but the blainiac style is a direct rip off. Any one who has seen criss perform on stage in NYC, knows the direct difference in styles. He dropped the goth and went blaintology. Even the monotone direct street style is a rip off. Thought: The reason so many TV shows fail is a lack of originality... RE:Copperfields hair is reflective of the present shorter style, the same way in the 80's it was longer. He also, if you noticed, is more friendly and funnier, that certainly doesn't reflect the brain dead style of your Blaine. IMO: Copperfields tornado of fire and intimate venues tour borrows heavily from the success of Blaine. Steve do some research before commenting. I mean that sincerely. Blaine is one of the FUNNIEST and whacky guys I have met. His performance style is that which works well for him on film. If you debate that, Im sure davids networth could prove his success. On top of monetary success, every celebrity and most WORLD WIDE know his name. The only haters I find are magicians. His TV special reflect a unique acting. The lack of energy after levitating, his manipulation of magic and TV principles... RE: Darren Brown? Exactly when was Darren Brown ever on in the US? Other than his name too many of those saying how great he is (and I don't question if he is or isn't) have never seen him perform jack. I wouldn't be able to pick him out of a five man line up if you gave me four guesses. Perhaps the Brits here can tell us the name of that guy who did performances on the street for people on TV prior to the Blaine shows, name started with a Z, heard his shows were great. IMO: The net gets to be a place to attack others from an armchair. Derren is awesome! Not a big fan of his seance, but his effects are stunning and great pieces of art! Something too few online experts strive for. Performance art... RE: I met Gregory Wilson when he was around 16 or 17 years old and he is pretty much the same now as he was then. Now let me see, perhaps he and Garcia, who I don't know, are marketing product to the army of Blaine clones and thus have to make them think it fits their narrow view on magic? Makes perfect sense to me. Doesn't it make sense to you? IMO: Gregory Wilson? Come on. Ask someone on the street to name all the magicians they know, in all likely hood, my name will come up bvefore gregory wilson. RE: I don't go to the street magic section, it sickens me to see all the clones. I'm sure Blaine is thrilled to have an army of lil' Blaines following his style, makes him so less unique. IMO: Imitation is flattering. The funniest thing I;ve seen is the David Blaine south park where he p00ps out a 3 of diamonds. As corinda states: "When you have a style that can be characatured (Can't spell) you know you have something. RE: I don't know Blaine, I enjoy seeing his specials. Unlike his clones (and sorry, I don't include the others on TV as clones) I don't have the need to impersonate him. I realize the reactions that enthralled so many were for the camera and what he was doing was basic strolling magic with a blank expression. I know that is very exciting to many of you, I wish you luck on the impersonation circuit. I think the stunts are stupid. IMO: I do and he is a GREAT magician. No one said you have to impersonmate him. Why so defensive? No one says hes doing strolling magic either, hes doing street TV magic in an urban shaman mysterious stranger way. In recent times, his street performance art style has leaked onto UK tv and it has been interesting. Like it or not, its making him the number one name on TV. Wait til you see what the future holds! Just wanted to see what all ya'll thought about his stunts. I love them, they make him seem so darned mysterious and/or strange! Steve, I await your next debate and your non-publicity stunt filled TV special! |
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
Scott....I'm afraid I've just written you off as a nutty kid who loves Blaine for all the wrong reasons. Non-responses are not responses. Good luck to you, I hope you get to date Fiona Apple. After hearing her last DVD I think she'll have lots of time on her hands.
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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
Ah, about 20 college shows a year, 10 plus corporate shows each year, 2 trade shows EACH YEAR, 6 high school shows (bi-yearly), 2 tours with sideshows, corporate magician for jamba juice, theater shows, I'm consulting with some pretty high up people, makig it to dvd and tv, and IM BEING CALLED KID? LOL, Where's your resume?
Oh yeah, an internship in magic, and A degree in Applied Sciences. |
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
I don't think that this is the place to post one`s resume and if you make your living from one or five hundred shows yearly is incidental.
I shall return to the subject as I see it. 1) Mr Blaine portrays himself as XXXXXX 2) Mr Blaine can not duplicate the stunts live which use camera trickery,,,,fact. 3) The camera trickery used is denied!!! By Blaine so his credability to deliver is zilch. 4) This also applies to Mr Angel. 5) Neither entertainer could deliver the goods based upon "Their Act as Known" Basis (This is the criteria required by booking Agents Worldwide). 6) As a TV entertainment both are viewable providing they are accepted for what they are,,,,a fictional portrait. To be compared to Dr Who and Bugs Bunny (Sorry to shatter the illusion but these also use camera tricks). 7) Providing such performers are honest enough to accept their own perception as fabricated,then there is nothing wrong with this.They will proberly make loads of money and become famous like Superman did. 8) My beef is that us mere human entertainers who try to make a living in the real world,are sometimes compared to the cybor entertainers,,,,,of course we could not compete. If the Camera trick conjurours did as the late David Nixon did (Openly stated that camera tricks are involved,,,he lost no credibility doing this and earnt the respect from others in the biz at the same time) Then at least they would be seen to be doing the moral,decent thing,,,,,,they don't! Ken |
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Harley Newman Inner circle 5117 Posts |
Superman and Bugs Bunny aren't real? But I saw them with my own eyes, on tv.
“You can’t depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus” -Mark Twain
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thegreatnippulini Inner circle of Hell because I've made 2582 Posts |
Bugs does NOT use camera tricks... his fingers actually DO stop bullets from exiting a shotgun... I;ve seen it!
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
Yeh! and I can knit Fog.
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Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
I don't recall either Criss or David Blaine using the "no camera tricks" disclaimer. It might be implied, but I don't think it was stated. I may be wrong about this.
TV is just a different medium. There are things possible there that are not possible in the "real world". There are things possible on the stage that are not possible close up. It's a different medium. There are some performance pieces that can be done on some stages that can not be done on others. David Copperfield's Flying is a good example of this. Blackstone Sr. could not do his Tire Illusion on all stages. They are not cheating when he have/had a stage that could accomidate the mechanics required to pull on the illusion. The question is how well anything is done anywhere. If the public sees something impossible and the presentation is not compelling enough to transend the puzzle aspect of the illusion, then the performance has failed. It doesn't matter whether it's on stage, on TV, on the street or done walking around at a cocktail party. |
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Harley Newman Inner circle 5117 Posts |
Or who's doing it.
“You can’t depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus” -Mark Twain
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
Note: If you are under 30 you are a kid to me! I went to the doctor the other day and actually complained to the doctor that I didn't like having highschool students acting as nurses for community service, they were all real nurses but they sure looked like teens to me....
So, if you get all excited about a guy standing on a pole, you are nutty. Do I need a work visa to go hang out with Kondini? Is it just be or does just seeing Todd Robbins make you feel good having a legend around? (note: Viva La Simon Lovell!) As for Blaine I hope he has another successful show and I hope it has more magic in it than the last couple he did. Also he needs to work for more drugged out people, they are fun to watch. Steve V |
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
OK hands up everyone here who has been asked if they can levitate just like David Blaine.
Note, the answer I give is yes,,,,providing I can use camera tricks. In a recent meet of magi 15 out of the twenty three put their hands up,,so this tells me as no disclaimer is stated that the speckies believe its all for real,,,so,,,,where does that leave us mere mortals? In the eyes of these speckies we are obviously not up to standard,,,,,or should I keep my mouth shut and let the camera trickster grow in strength!! To sell the lie is great if its done through ones own devices, but to sell yourself through someone elses lie (The Camera) Is immoral unless disclosed. The extra`s used as audience members should be given varied scripts,,,,next time you watch one of these shows count up how many "Oh my God" comments per show. This is a great game we play over here,,,and brings real entertainment to watching the box. |
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diabolos New user 22 Posts |
David Blaine got lucky. He was the first street magician to have his own tv special. Yes, I would like to have the same luck, but I do not. I am a close up magician too, I have performed most of all the same tricks that Blaine has performed, we all did. Most of them were easily available at your local magic shop. Cig thru coin, pen thru dollar, bite coin, levitations, thumb t**s. We all done these tricks before 1997, Blaine was just the first person that said hey, we can do close up magic on tv, and at this time COPS was big, so I can see the influence, and other reality tv. The streets, parties, and bars are the only venue for street magic. Anybody here that would of been lucky enough to have a tv special pre-1997 would have picked on of those venues. Close-up magicians are limited by their craft. My magic style has not changed since Blaine, the only thing that changed was certaine requests. Street magic is the original form of magic. If we do our homework you will see paintings that date back hundreds of years ago and notice magicians performing in the streets, cups and balls was one of the street paintings I saw.
Blaine only influenced people that were not big in magic prior his specials. They either were not magicians, just dabled a little bit, have not found there way, or were just trying to figure out a way to leave the tradition magic act, like we see at kids parties. |
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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
If by lucky you mean:
PAYING for and believeing enough in himself to fund a magic special out of pocket, then I guess he is lucky. Then selling this idea to ABC! Anyone can do it, how many of you are willing to put up? I admire the drive and ambition not the icon. 1. The stunts are in NO WAY tricks. He was in the box etc. 2. When seeing David perform, you realize what true magic is. Its not a second, a double, or a balducci, but rather the shock and awe and momentary disbelief caused by a PERFECTLY orchestrated piece of REAL magic. When I can't catch someone's move, it shocks and awes ME! I guess being a mentalist allows me certain exceptions from the Blaine requests, but when the need calls for it, I can levitate! The key is being the one they speak of and having a magic trick ready at a moments request. True it costs me thousands in books and video a year, but I can perform some miracles when the need arises! As a wise magi once said: "Why make a card pop up to the top of the deck? Do something powerful. Make me a peanut butter and Jelly sandwich from thin air when I get hungry, and not a moment before..." |
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Roslyn Inner circle UK 3405 Posts |
Scott the guy you refered to above is Paul Zennon (I think).
Never met him, but I've always enjoyed his TV stuff. If I'm honest I prefer his style than Blaine's. He has that whole street thing, but also plays the laughs and is generally entertaining. He was the first person I saw take magic away from suits and general stiffness and go casual. Taking magic to the public. I don't know if he was THE first to do it, but was certainly the first person I saw doing it. I would also say that Chris's style in Mind Freak is more like Zennon's than Blaine's. Both Zennon's and Chris's characters are cool, trendy and of the time. I don't think Blaine has ever been that. He's always just been Blaine (not sure if that makes sense, but I know what I mean). RW
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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
Perfect sense. I believe this thread ran amuck. I was just wondering what people thought of the stunts, of real sideshow performers thought them to be real. For all intent and purposes they seem plausible.
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
Zennon! That's the guy. Much like Darren the mentalist I've heard good things about him but he doesn't show up on TV here. The difference is we have a boat load of Darren (or Derren) fans here that have never seen him, yes, by reputation alone he has built up an army of Derreniacs.
Please, for the love of magic, the title of Blaines first show was Street Magic, he isn't DOING street magic he is doing magic ON the streets. Get it right. Kondini, the only effect of Blaines I have ever been asked about was the levitation (using the crane method....). Steve V |
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Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
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On 2005-11-28 16:29, Scott Xavier wrote: I don't know where you got that story, but it is not accurate. Blaine deserved the chance to do that first special. He worked hard to get the chance. He had a number of people behind him on that first special. The image of Blaine putting together himself and then selling to ABC is not how it happened. There was only one major network special that was done on spec. It is a very interesting story that I will not share with anyone. It will get me in big trouble. Sorry. |
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
Scott has interesting ideas. The mastermind! Bill Kalush! The key, Leo! Reminds me of the movie Idol Maker.....
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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
Interesting. I thought I read it in his book. I stand corrected. Kalush, there's a man I would love to meet.
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
There is a sucker born every minet!
I thought the people on here were doing the suckering! Not so sure now though. Ken. |
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