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Thnaks for the kind words. I think it just takes a bit of time to add that into your written agreement and can serve you very well if you mention it as a part of your phone conversation when they book you. Most parents should totally understand and it actually makes you more professional by doing so. Let us know how it woprks out for you.

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I insist on as many adults as possible attend my show, I tell them the show is a family show, there will be something in it for everyone, and please don't leave me alone with all those kids. If someone is absolutely disruptive and the show can't go on I take him by the hand and deliver him to an adult and make it crystal clear to the adult that I do entertainment, and you do discipline. When it gets to that point I am ready to walk check or on check.
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Julian Franklin has a new book out....what's it called..."kid control" or something? There are ways to deal with this stuff right away before you ever get the agreement going with the client. Kyle's got it down, sounds like many do (Al..where's my autographed picture?).
I don't know if I agree with the babysitters thing...although I do believe we are teachers by example.
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My wife teaches kindergarten. I've seen her wrangle a herd of wild young'unz that she had never met and had them sitting quietly in a minute or two. She puts off this 'teacher vibe' and it scares 'em I think. I will ask her what she suggest.
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The wife told me that the lil' punks are pushing the limits on two fronts. One front is they want to see how far they can push the unknown person (you) in the relative safety of home and near parents and also they are pushing the parents to see how far they can get with you before the parents make them behave. She said some kids don't do the testing gradually but leap in, those are the moronic kids.

I asked her how she gets a new group of kids to behave and she said when they start testing she says "You can have the nice Miss Jana or the mean Miss Jana, which do you want?". The kids will say "the nice Miss Jana!" and she'll say "good, then sit down and be quiet!". This not only is funny to kids but it also makes them not really want to see the mean Miss Jana. Next I'll ask her how a magician might handle a herd of rowdy punks. Her degree is in Child Development, should be interesting.
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Steve,

Thanks for sharing this insight. It is pretty interesting coming from a different perspective. Thanks again and I look forward to hearing more.

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It's really too bad that corporal punishment is no longer politically correct. Unfortunately, that's the only thing that some kids understand. I used to be totally against it, but since I spend more time with my friends' kids, as well as nieces and nephews, I see that it's appropriate in some circumstances, although it should be unnecessary most of the time with most kids. Some kids are just plain bad.
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In most shows I have ever done, I have come across bad kids or rude kids, but I can handle those situations with a bunch of different techniques I have learned over the years. Many of them work just fine and I can save the show and remain in character as well.

I usually do not ever have a problem with it. However, it is when these techniques fail to change the child or audience member or if the person does not adhere to my few rules, then I will adress the situation and get it resolved.

As I stated earlier in this thread, my worst situation in over 20 years was doing that cinema that night. In this case this teenager broke every single rule I set for proper conduct. 1) the kid was swearing in front of me and infront of my audience of children and ladies 2) The kid physically hit me on the back of the neck and flicked my hair on purpose 3) He disrepcted me and my audience by continuing to act in a childish manner and 4) he verbally abused my wife.

Now those are things I will not stand or tolerate from anyone no matter how old you are. If you break these rules of conduct, then I will set you in your place and I will get my point across. I will never hit a kid, but man it took every ounce of energy in my body from holding myself from hauling off and smacking that kid. Instead I chose to let the kid know for a good 5 minutes just exactly what was on my mind and he did indeed listen.

It stinks and burns me up that it had to come to that. I hated doing that and it left a bad taste in my mouth, but I will not tolerate anyone acting that way. He went beyond what I thought was manageable behavior or behavior I could ignore or handle by a simple comedy line.

In these very rare occassions, then I think the performer must address the situtaion as best as he or she can.

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Chris McBrien:

Julain Franklin's new book IS called "Kid Control" and it is an excellent investment. Even for someone who has done thousands of shows like myself, there is always something we can learn everyday. It's a great book for $25.00

You can get it from Sammy Smith @ http://www.spsmagic.com or direct from Julian @ http://www.julianfranklin.com It's $25.00

I think that in this day and age kids are changing. It's not at all like it use to be when I was growing up. These days kids get just about anything they want and have not a clue in the world as to what real punishment is.
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Kyle,

I think if a teen assaulted me, all bets would be off. I'd pull out my ADA handcuffs and make an arrest. I live in Texas and can do that but I would not tolerate any of that mess. Talking of a teen here and not a little one.

Sad there are people out there like that.
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I don't blame the kids for behaving poorly, I blame the parents and I make sure to let the people I work for know that I am not a babysitter ahead of time and that they are responsible for making sure if a child is disruptive they handle the situation (or I will) this works well with in home birthday parties. as for teens I just don't perform for teens, don't need the business and can live longer without the headaches. when I perform in public, well my partner is an ex profesional wrestler and we don't have to many issues with trouble makers.
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On 2005-11-28 12:53, Steve V wrote: Other than the kid I had to smack in the head. . .
No,. . . you didn't. You are very lucky to not have charges filed against you!

Kyle; Well done! Glad that you didn't have it escalate. . . Also, it is sad that you had to step out of character... the location should have provided some support prior to it ever getting to the point where he was anywhere near you.

Unfortunately, just as teachers ("professional educators"--most of whom deserve respect, not derision. . .)have found, we often run into children who have not been taught proper manners. How we respond can either perpetuate the problem, or provide at least one instance when they actually get to see proper behavior modeled. If gentle prompting doesn't work, then get the adult responsible to step in, pausing the show until this is done. I spent too many years teaching other people's children discipline to be doing it now. . ., while trying to entertain, too.
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I must admit after smacking the kid I did think it would have been better to beat his father to a pulp in front of him. What do you think? Effective?
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Quite interesting topic and posts. After reading them, I can identify with you all. I have done some stunts to quiet the disruptive kid and adult. Alan, Corporal Punishment is accepted and PC. Jeff, regarding the kountry klub kids and the mother who did not lift a finger to intervene, you should have stopped the show right there. As a law enforcement officer, I let people know that certain things are not rights, but priviledges. Having a magician do a show is a priviledge and the performer deserves all the respect from his audience. Nowhere in my job description is any clause showing me as a babysitter. Some parents do not take responsibility for their childrens actions. Such has been the case several times when taking a juvenile into custody or arresting their son or daughter. I am amused with some parents statement that "I" am ruining their childs life by arresting them. I have told several parents that I should arrest them for neglect as they did not teach their children about rules or laws. Some, who are affluent, teach their children that money can buy their way out of anything. Sad world we live in. I have stopped my show when it became to hard to continue, packed up and left. But not before letting the sponsor know what the problem was.

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I think violent teenagers is a bit of a stretch, I find that teenagers either like you, or they simply can't be bothered. It is the 10, 11, 12, & 13 year old boys that feel compeled to take center stage, that is the only kind of bad kid situation I have experienced. Sometimes parental disciplin is the only thing that works. I don't get paid enough to do disciplin, and entertainment.
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Al: I hear ya there. I have found what you said to also be the case.In my own situation (mentioned above) it was these teenagers hanging out at the cinema with their friends who were cauing the problem not only for myself but for others as well. There was lack of respect for anyone or anything. It was a real shame. I knew that they were just there to cause problems and to try and make themselves look good in front of their other gang of friends. Oh well it happens and we move on. It is just a shame that some teens have to act that way. It is also even worse when you often realize that some kids act this way because the parents are even worst.

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Well, in my experience the number one thing to INSIST on is that the kids sit with the parents and EVERYONE watches the show.

If thy are not willing to do that, then they want a babysitter not a performer and I pass on the show.

I lose a few, but I have none of the problems when I do it this way.
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I do it that way as well ad never have a problem. With this personal experience it was in a public situation where teens and others would be in my area and did not have to watch a show even though my performance was going on. So for them they saw it as an opportunity to cause and wreak havoc and goof off just to try and impress their friends. It was sad but I handled it best I coukld and they got the message.

When doing kid's shows I marjet them as always being family-friendly entertainment that the entiure audience of allages will enjoy. I encourage the parents to be tere to watch the show and I usually assign 2 parents the job as my helpers. They are there just to observe and if any child is crying or needs some special attention, they can address the problem and help me so I can remain in character and continue with the performance. It usually works out just fine.

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Kyle, reading your post about the horrible kid is astounding.
Who's kid was this?

I would want to make sure the kid was removed from the premesis before the show continued.

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I have no idea really. I just think his teen friends and himself were just at the cinema just to hang out, good off and cause trouble. They had no real reason to be there in the fist place except to goof off. I tried finding a security guard but there were none around at the time of the incident so I took matters into my own hands.It is a shame I had to do that, but I would do it again if I had to. There is just a limit of what I am willing to tolerate and he stepped way over the line.

They were evenutally kicked out any ways and I am glad about that. I just could not believe the kid had the nerve to even touch me in the fist place. I mean taking verbal abuse and some heckling I can control and understand, but physical contact in the matter in which he hit me is not exceptable to me at any time.

At least it is over with and life moves on. I just hope it is another 20 years of performing before that ever happens again.

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Well if it helps, I've pictured you beating the living @#$%^#$%&#$%^&$ out of him several times.
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