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silverfire9
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Perhaps one of you knowledgeable people could help me with this. I have some limited hypnosis training and even more limited experience. In searching for a good, affordable certification path, I came across http://www.hypnosis.edu, the Hypnosis Motivation Institute, based in California.

Based on the costs mentioned, it's out of my current price range no matter what, but I was wondering about the legitimacy and ... efficacy of the training, for lack of a better term. How much would a certification from these people really mean?

Thanks in advance for whatever answers and opinions you have, and have a great Thanksgiving. For those of you not in the US, have a good Thursday and don't imagine eating turkey and stuffing and pumpkin pie and ... Smile
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John Kappas was a very good hypnotist and therapist. However, getting any kind of certification or diploma from HMI is no different than any other... because no one really cares (it's all ********).
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Procyonrising,
How true, how true.
Peace,
Parson
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You have a point, to an extent. Smile A certification from the NGH would be worth much more, imo, than a certification from the AIH. Why? The NGH, from all I've heard, is much more thorough, and they don't do the weekend certification programs that AIH does, and is much more respected overall.

At the same time, from the client's POV, it really doesn't matter, unless they're being extremely cautious and go hunting for the reputations of various certifying organizations. And it probably doesn't really matter if all you want to do is stage hypnosis, either.

Thing is, I'm looking at possibly doing hypnotherapy at some point, not just stage hypnosis, so I would like to get the best education I can get for the money. At the same time, most hypnosis training out there is ridiculously overpriced (imo). Though not quite as overpriced as NLP training. Thus my dilemma.

It may be that the best way to go about it is to just get the cheap certification and then use that as a springboard to a "better" one. To that end, I've found a very inexpensive distance learning course that offers certification after three months of studying the course material and taking a test at the end. It doesn't include hands-on stuff, of course, but that can be gained through other means (ie; Sleepwalkers clubs or similar).

I haven't quite decided yet, though; so opinions on this are still welcomed. Smile
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Silver, no.

George Bien, the person who created the advanced training for the NGH, is one of my best friends. I can say confidently that an NGH certification is simply a piece of paper. Nothing more. Good training is not found via the reputation of the sponsoring organization, rather, by the reputation of the trainer.

If you want to learn NLP, you can do it at IMBRE, free. I run the training programs there.
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Any reason to giving Silver the no-go?
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That's what I was getting at, procyon. I realize that the AIH, while it does have the weekend seminars and whatnot, might have a really excellent instructor in my area. And the NGH's instructor in my area might not be as good. That much, I know. Smile

That's part of the reason I was asking about distance learning. In distance learning (especially document-based, with no videos), you don't really have an instructor, good or bad. You have the text and whoever you can find to practice with.

Is this enough? Can that provide good enough education to have a solid foundation? That's what I was asking originally. Not so much about the organization backing the certification, though that's a valid question, too.

In my opinion, distance learning has some difficulties that in-person learning doesn't, *but* you can still get a good quality education from it. It all depends on how well you study, and how much (and how well) you practice. If you just read the material enough to pass the test at the end and don't practice or really *learn* the material, then you have a worthless certification. If, on the other hand, you spend *more* than the recommended time reading and rehearsing and practicing, your certification has real meaning.
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Correct !

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Every certification program thinks everyone else is unqualified...you can create a certificate on your computer that has as much legal validity as any other self-proclaimed expert.

It reminds me of a story Tony Andruzzi told me many years ago. He was flown to Arizona to teach some dentists hypnosis. Within a few weeks the Arizona dentists, through their state representatives, tried to pass a law so only dentists and other "professionals" could do it.

As far as learning stage, the Fun With Hypnosis book by Svengali from amazon is a good basic book...if you got this AND went to see several hypnotists perform live you could do it.

Royle has a set of DVD's I was reviewing in a thread a while back...short summary...not recommended at all...that was a pile of money flushed down the drain but sometimes you gotta gamble to see what's out there.

Mark Lewis has a set of four or so VHS tapes and a cassette...I haven't watched the VHS tapes (time, too many projects) but I have listened to the tape. It is excellent...you could learn this tape and do it as he does it and it would take you right up to the induction very well...basic, but well done. I understand he struggles a bit on one of the shows on tape, but welcome to the world of stage hypnosis...you gotta learn what to do when that happens.

There is an old Brian Flora tape, "Hypnotism for Profit" by Travis Nelson, a very good friend. Same comments as the amazon book, but I understand he no longer does the falling induction...nothing like catching a 300 pound volunteer to turn you off of that.

I do not know Tom Silver's material...I have a friend who had to cover for a casino gig for him a few years ago, so Silver is a worker, but I don't know much else about him. If all he offers is the induction tape for stage, you will need more...the induction is just the engine. Perhaps someone with more experience with his stuff could tell you more.

If you want to learn stage hypnosis from a real hypnotist check out http://www.stagehypnosiscenter.com/products/item21.cfm

I do not have their new program but do have several of their materials, including marketing, making subjects more responsive, and my favorite, the EKG induction. That is $200 and worth every penny to a worker. It is a combination of three induction types (you can figure out some of them from the initials) but the way it is put together is magnificent. Fast, theatrical and effective. If all you are doing is a relaxation induction, or you aren't happy with your induction results this will solve your problems there.

It is from my experience with these materials, especially the EKG induction, that I can recommend their products...if I remember the cost for the entire stage hypnosis training DVD's is around 400 bucks or so...if that includes the EKG induction then it is even better.

The stage hypnosis center also offers live training (from where these DVD's are shot)...if you can afford that, you could condense years of experience into a weekend.

These are not your only options, of course...just the ones I've been exposed to. Tony Andruzzi learned from a small booklet, Hypnosis by Ed Wolff...

Good luck.
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After reading a bit more, I see the EKG induction is included in their program...these guys do a lot of shows and use people to fill in when they are too busy...names you would recognize. They are the real deal.

I WAS WRONG ON THE PRICE...it is $699...and still worth every penny. There is no way you couldn't book a prom/grad party and not make it back...there are never enough hypnotist at that time of the year, especially in rural areas.

I have no affiliation with the stage hypnosis center...I've paid for everything they have ever sent me. If you want to learn stage hypnosis, in my opinion, they are your best option.
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