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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
You need to watch Ahmed's video so you can see the reaction from the audience in his live theatre show. This was my whole point in posting in this thread again. I only had about a day and half with the prop to shoot the video on my site, and yeah it doesn't do it justice. that's why I wanted you guys to see the illusion in an actual performance and see how deceptive it is, and how much the audience enjoyed it, with all the applause, and whistling etc.
I think this is a step beyond Modern Art, why?-because there is no top box, and no doors, the legs are in full view the entire time, and you can see clear thru the cabinet. Plus the angle of the box/side table is angled away and opposite of modern art, making it that much more deceptive when the performer is cut in half. Anyway my whole point was that this plays great in front of a real audience as evident in Ahmed's video. that's all I was saying. The illusion was obviously deceptive enough for them. P.
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NFox Inner circle I Do Mentalism Now?! 1101 Posts |
I must say, Ahmed (after his body was moved) looked like one of those living torsos that always used to creep me out at haunted houses. All kidding aside, he seems to have taken the time to get the effect down (You can hear that in the audience's response).
We must remember that in magic there are 2 major opinions; Your own and the audience's. One of these is always right because it is not involved with the "day-to-day" affairs of magic. Here's a hint: It's not your own . Sure, you should like a piece, but when it comes down to it, that audience reaction that Ahmed got is really what it's all about...sort of like the Hokey Pokey. Nick Fox |
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dsilverfield Special user 752 Posts |
Ok For starters, I watched Ahmed's video a few times. The clarity is nothing great. With regards to the "reaction", if the applause is what is being reffered to then it isn't great either. I live very close to where Ahmed does. He is not a big name anywhere in the gulf. Not that it matters but then repeatedly saying Ahmed does it or Ahmed gets a strong reaction is getting to me. Really Peter you don't need an Ahmed {no disrespect to him}to back your products but Twist off, despite not having a top cover is not convincing.
I have seen an ad for an effect called " Slip and slide away" by Baran entertainment { if I am not wrong}. No top and no bottom cover. That was convincing but I don't see it on sale anywhere. |
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Laszlo Csizmadi Special user From Hell 868 Posts |
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On 2006-05-16 02:37, Peter Loughran wrote: that's is true. The illusion is good but I think Ahmed presentation is poor. You can add your own better ideas to your presentation. It is up to you how you perform. Just an example the magician got in place and an assistent toss over him a rope (as on rodeo) and start to pull the rope. The upper body start slide. When it slided another assistant grab the magician hand or shoulder and pull back him by his hand. Do a dramatic end and you done. Another comic way: when the magician on place one assistant start hit his back with a broom 3-4 times. On every hit (wait 2-3 seconds on every hit) the body slide 3-4 inches then another assistans run towards him with a toiletpump and push back him. Best Las |
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sileeni Veteran user UK. 361 Posts |
Think its a great idea. Would like to see another video dem of it though as Ahmeds video was a little dark.
Why don't you shoot another video demo of it? |
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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
"You don't need an Ahmed"...lol, thanks for that! It made me smile! dsilversfeild, I appreciate your comments.
Well I think the reaction is quite good, when I hear whistles, a big applause and what not, it looks pretty good to me. But Perhaps that is a weak reaction for your show dsilverfield, I don't know, Ive never seen your show. Perhaps a good reaction to you would be people trying to push their way onto the stage like a rock concert...kidding of course. I wasn't repeating that Ahmed does it, All I wanted to do is let you guys see it done in a real live show. that's all! And the audeince enjoyed it! I don't see what the argument is here. Im not to concerned about fooling magicians all the time, and Im not to concerned about impressing them either. I just like to create unique magic that plays well for laymen. Not all of my ideas or illusions will be the be all end all. But to me Twist off plays really well, and is very decpetive to a laymen audience (my demo put aside). Anyway, The slip and slide away, sounds really cool! I would love to see that if anyone has info on it! Thanks again dsilverfield. P.
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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
Laci, I love the ideas!
Sileeni, My wife and I just had a baby, and since she is my assistant, she won't be getting in any of those boxes for while unfortunately, hopefully later in the year she will be able to...
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
Peter,
I have always admired your creativity. I think "Twist Off" is a nice start, but there needs to be something to remove the "obvious" from the illusion. For example, loading it with the back to the audience and then turning it around to the front should give you time to make the necessary adjustments, without raising as much suspicion. It makes sense, since the door is on the back. Also, if there were a way to make the bottom appear to twist with the top, even a little, that would also improve the effect. Best of luck, and keep up the creating. Amos McCormick
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sileeni Veteran user UK. 361 Posts |
Congratulations. Look foreward to a video dem later on this year.
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dsilverfield Special user 752 Posts |
Anyway, The slip and slide away, sounds really cool! I would love to see that if anyone has info on it!
I would also like to know if anyone has info about this. Looked cool, ran a few ads and then disappeared. |
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Patrick Miller New user 90 Posts |
I think it is a nice illusion but I think it has a weak point and that is the legs. They look like a pair of pants stapled to the inside front of the box. I had the same problem with my Modern Art. We moved the legs back and it really helped. We are trying to animate them now. Any Ideals.
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3660 Posts |
Peter,
From your post about taking Modern Art and improving on it by removing the upper cabinet and doors, have you not read the Modern Art book and it's development history? The original effect was produced by Jim with no upper cabinet, he added the box to give it a more realistic (and possible) look. It was also presented on one of Doug's first specials in this way (no upper cabinet). His logic is one which I have to agree with. And your effect looks very much like the original "Modern Art" with a little larger bottom unit. ie. If a box from which a person is produced will not in actual fact hold the person produced, then she must have come from somewhere else. And the audience will start looking for that somewhere else. In the case of your effect, I find it "bottom" heavy. I would add some upper framing on the side table, or something (piping?) the person could reach up and hold on to as the upper body and this framing is slide to the side. Just my 2 cents Canadian (now worth 3 cents American - FINALLY!!!) Blair Marshall "ShaZzam!"
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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
Hi Blair,
Ofcourse I read it! I own a modern art aswell as the book, But just because J. S. thought one way, doesn't mean I can't have my own opinion. I am aware of the similarities of the original concept. I didn't just want to be able to show the top portion without a box, but also wanted to create a second animation with the 360 twist, and show the legs the entire time. The structure or piping is a nice idea, I will perhaps look into that in the future. And yes its a suprising day in the world when the Canadian Dollar is worth more than the US. I once knew an american who used to refer to our currency as frozen pesos, I am curious what he would call the US dollar right now. Anyway thanks for your thoughts Blair. Best, Peter.
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3660 Posts |
An added thought might be is if the upper body has been severed, what is the upper bodies motion produced from? The rail/strap/bar could add, with the performing "lifting" himself up and away from his body (legs) and moving (dragging) his torso over. Good acting might even convince some spectators that they could see beneath his torso.
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LeeAlex2002 Inner circle 1007 Posts |
Blair,
What you describe would be very similar to a Jonathan David Bass illusion. In fact "Twist off is very similar to the Jonathan David Bass illusion. I am sorry I have no further details of the origins of this, nor the maker. The illusion I mention is part of his "Instant Babe" act: |
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3660 Posts |
Ooooooooooo that's cool!! Looks like a screen shot from Le Plus Grand Cabaret, I will have to check my old tapes for this one! Does have a similar look.
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The Drake Inner circle 2274 Posts |
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On 2007-10-15 19:18, Blair Marshall wrote: Hi Blair, You can see a video here. Lets be fair... its a totally different illusion from either Modern Art or Twist Off. Johnathon is creative but this illusion does have its drawbacks as well when studied in more detail. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2RGCFZFYqI Best, Tim |
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Falconer Special user PORTUGAL 576 Posts |
The illusion of Johnathon David Bass produce a great reaction from the audience, it is a spectacular effect.
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Laszlo Csizmadi Special user From Hell 868 Posts |
I saw Jonathan's video first time 7 or 8 years ago.
Best, Las |
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LeeAlex2002 Inner circle 1007 Posts |
Hi Tim,
I would suggest that the legs part in "Twist Off" is very similar to JDB'S illusion - is that fair enough to say? ;-) |
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