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Hi Pete,

thanks for your response, but as I said, I bought the dvd for the "real work" of building a crowd,(to help with other performance venues....not the street) and although what you did pulled a crowd, the price was a tad high, to see you perform (not crowd build)was well worth the money, but again, this is not what the dvd was marketed for, and I was hoping for something a little more subtle, banging the stick mate, just doesn't do it for me I'm afraid.

And not to be a pain, but the opening talk did say that people come from all over the see the street acts at Covent Garden.........so again, it may have been better to see you use the same tecnique where you would not normally see street acts...don't you think?

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Lol...come on $70 too high ********!
magic is too cheap ...everyone wants it for nothing... if there is something that I could use in my show I would willingly pay 10 times the $70
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Hear is a clip of me, watch out for the final load.
http://www.streetcredmission.co.uk/Mario......leb.html
You can watch up to date ones on my website hear is another one.
http://www.streetcredmission.co.uk/Mario......ada.html
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Lol...come on $70 too high ********!
magic is too cheap ...everyone wants it for nothing... if there is something that I could use in my show I would willingly pay 10 times the $70

With due respect Ted, the dvd wasn't marketed as adding something new to your act, but on how to build a crowd to perform your act to......and apply those tecniques to diffrent performing arenas.

As I said in other posts, the magic Pete performs is great, no-problems there (for me) at all, BUT, that wasn't what I bought it for AND that wasn't what it was marketed as/for.......

So IMHO, $70,£40, yes a tad too much for banging a stick..........no art, no subtlty, just banging a stick.......and lots of shouting, I think, no hope there are real secrets to building a crowd (from street performing)that can be used in other performing arenas, I just don't think they are on this dvd....IMHO.


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I'm a pro busker( I feed my family from working the streets) and I can tell you that you build an audience using your voice...and the things that make them stop is your voice and if you are saying something that is interesting enough to keep them there you have built a crowd..
the best way to learn how to use your mouth is to watch others doing this....and by doing it yourself....heres the thing you might notice about what pete is doing...hes taking his time...and they are not running away....it may sound to you as shouting but I can tell you that they have to hear you!...so sometimes your voice is raised...the tone of your voice is what often seperates shouting from talking loudly...the inflection of your voice but I have a similar problem that pete has, when I'm recorded my voice sounds a little harsh although its really just me talking loudly

now, taking your time at covent gardens might work better there than taking your teme someplace else...like on s sidewalk doing a small show where there isn;t the build....i don't know if you have ever worked the streets?....no disrespect here but if you haven't I think that after you go out and work them a few times you will go back and review peters work and you might just look at it differently

you certainly have your right to your opinion (no disrepect intended)but I beleive there are some good messages there....

good luck with this dvd set and your work and I hope you hit the bricks and get the big hates...

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Another good source for street perfroming would be cellinis art of street performing part one...you can see some pros do it on that....

pete , I think very highly of your work as stated before

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Koz,

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I think I can see the point you are trying to make. If you wanted step by step on technique of how to on crowd pulling then this covers only one technique.
Far from just banning and yelling (you do need a lungs full to work CG) Peter is using one of the hardest technique of all, any seasoned busker will recognize. I would have no doubt that Pete would have started of like most (correct me if I am wrong). Using rope or chalk to mark out your pitch drawing folk to that rope. Then getting folk to clap cheaer in order to build a crowd before you have done any thing, so on so forth.
I get the distinct impression that your not a busker all have had little experience.
You see Pete technique is one of the most advanced to develop it is minimal, folk only clap when he has done some thing. He does not pre educate them to make noise he does that for them. This is hard and I suspect it comes from a foundation of laying out rope and pre-clapping. The advantage of this technique is that it is ideal for door way shows as we sore. You will see Gazzo and Cellini doing just this and in recent years I have been using this technique. Cellini would teach Sound, Color and Movement. Gazzo would draw them in close to himself and then as the crowd grew push them out. That is my preferred technique and exactly what I did in CG. One thing is for sure this old technique belongs to Magicians and not juggerlers.
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I can't remember when I first met Pete - I think it was when I was still street performing, but not long before I moved indoors - but I'd like to share a wee story. Several years ago Pete and I were working a Crimbo preshow at a comedy club in London. In the hour or so before we started we were chatting away and showing off, as magicians are wont to do. He showed me a coin routine which, when I saw it, was absolutely beautiful in its construction; everything had a reason, the mechanics were flawless and the final move reset everything back to its starting position. Although I cannot remember the routine in its entirety, I will never forget the realisation that here was a performer who thought about his magic so much.

To quote Mike Close; when a professional performer tips the work he uses to make his living, I sit up and listen.

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Thanks Ian, I think we first met in Edinburgh about 12 years ago, when the Mile was pavement shows only. I wish I could remember the coin routine myself.
DAVE - I understand what you're saying about the crowd build on the DVD, but if you break it down you'll see the following: (1) I start close to my front edge and pull back while I'm "shouting", this helps set a bigger edge (2) I use a kid to help establish my starting edge - doesn't sound much but it's gold, (3) I tell them what I'm doing, gets a laugh, gets a crowd (4) I walk and talk to passers-by , but keep talking to the crowd I have, (5) once I have a starting edge I bring the cups out early, and let them know the best is yet to come, the best tip I can give, (6) I overlap the routines in the body of the show so that there's no "gaps" they can leave in, (7)and yes I use the "thumper" and project my voice (I'm wired up for the filming). I think I talk about other styles of crowdbuilding, using the coins across to establish the front edge, start small pull back, I mention Dante - great one coin build etc. It's all on there.

I'll tell you a Cellini story that UK magician Dave Brown told me. Cellini was on James steet in Covent Garden with Dave and they were talking about crowd building. Cellini took out a silver dollar and rolled it across his fingers smiling to the people, no-one stopped. He took out another, one on each hand, no-one. Then another and another etc, eventually 3 coins on each hand, the people kept walking. Then he put the coins away, took out his stick, banged it on the table, shouted "Magic Show!!" - guess what, SHOWTIME.
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Just got Pete's DVD set. Awesome. Thoroughly enjoyed both discs. I didn't see where he left out anything. You definitely get your money's worth. Even if you're not interested in Street Performing, it's a top choice for stand-up and close-up performers to take note. My wife had a great time watching the performances also.
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I now stock it, if I thought any less of it I whould not.
http://www.fathatmagic.com this dvd will come with a free gift ltd offer. The postage will be charged at a local rate.
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On 2005-12-27 15:12, magickdabid--uk wrote:

So IMHO, $70,£40, yes a tad too much for banging a stick..........no art, no subtlty, just banging a stick.......and lots of shouting, I think, no hope there are real secrets to building a crowd (from street performing)that can be used in other performing arenas, I just don't think they are on this dvd....IMHO.

Dave.


If that is all you saw you need to watch it again. Peter builds that crowd literally body by body. It took a set of titanium balls to put a slow build on that DVD in my opinion. Mostly because people who have no point of reference would only see what you did even though his voice over explains exactly how he is constructing that crowd.

He bangs a stick and yells to get their attention. And you are right any idiot can go out on the street and yell and bang a stick. They will not be able to build a crowd.

What you are missing is the placement and the interaction with *** near every single spectator in that front edge. Once he has there attention he connects. he walks over and shakes a lady's hand. He directs a dad and family over by the bin. He jokes and ad libs with every single person that looks his way. He creates interest. He then pulls a girl up on stage and says the most important thing, "I am going to show you (the little girl) a trick. At the end of that trick if we have a crowd I will do a show. If I do not, you will have seen a cool trick." It's a win-win.

Peter Wardell in my opinion is real worker and an honest to God busker. He built them out of nothing. At 11:30 in the morning it is hot and the punters are thinking about an iced mocha late and a plate of chips. They are not there to see the magic man do the cups and balls. Take it from a guy who has done it, what you saw done by Peter on that DVD was high art. It is an audience of strangers who did not know they wanted to see a show 2 seconds before he educated them.

Then once he had them he made them his audience. Watch for that too. You can almost feel the point where they go from being a mob to being a crowd, his crowd.

All of that is the same when working a trade show.

His performance on that DVD is by far the most honest representation of a modern street magician working. He showed it all from soup to nuts.

I can understand how you came to your understanding of the yelling. He is yelling, he is working a huge open pitch with no mic. If he was working with a mic it would have been much easier for you to see the forest through the trees as not only would his voice be lower in volume but it would have also changed the tone and the timbre of the delivery. Sitting in your living room watching the DVD the first thing that jumps into your mind is, "Why the hell is this madman screaming?". Smile It would have seemed quite normal if you were standing in the crowd on the pitch.

Get past the yelling and watch it again looking for some of the things I have pointed out. Really, if you turned the volume down you could see it happening. This is strong stuff and really worth every quid. I just watched the set again last night and in my opinion ( a full time working pro and seasonal full time street performer)This 2 DVD set is under-priced.

Don't even get me started on the silk routine! Smile

I really do understand how you came to your original opinion and am not knocking you for it. In your situation I might have thought the same thing. The man has a voice that could carry a piano up a staircase. Smile It makes it hard not to be distracted by it when it is in your living room.

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Any idea when Hustle will be available from U.S. dealers. It's listed on Alakazam web site.

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I am a fan of peter wardell so I may well invest in this.

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OK, I don’t know Mr. Wardell’s, in fact, as he states right up front I “never heard of him” before! But after watching this DVD set I know him to be a competent and entertaining working magician. He’s good!

I bought the DVD set and paid full price for them (I usually wait for a few months after a release and buy a DVD or Tape for less than half price). Honestly, I believe that it is under priced! There is pure gold on this set!

Peter Wardell gives his take on the knotted silk routine (often called “Slydini Silks”). His version is a “worker “, fun and magical. Best of all he gives one of the clearest explanations of the trick I’ve seen (and I’ve seen Bill Malone’s and Tony Clark’s explanations). You’ll actually learn it from this DVD.

One surprise to me is that Peter gives credit to Charlie Edwards as an inspiration for his dissolving knots routine (from Charlie Edward's Dissolving Knots published in “Routine Manipulation Finale”). Now that is something seldom heard! Proper credit where credit is due!

This DVD also has one of the cleanest and most entertaining Cups and Balls routines I have seen in years. I consider his routine as being comparable to those of Vernon’s, Gazzo’s, Johnny Fox’s, and Frank Garcia’s (all of whom I have seen perform in person). It is clean, magical, and to the point. For a street routine it is truly the money trick!

In terms of gathering a crowd, Peter models a good job, even if he does not spell out step-by-step what he is doing. I clearly got it. I actually saw a couple of techniques/bits that I could use immediately (shamelessly using a kid to cause people to stop and watch! Gold! His idea of using two kids to hold the tabletop for a “coins through table” is another bit of brilliant thinking! It is another bit of pure gold.

I have a small library of books, tapes, and DVDs on street performing. This particular DVD reinforces everything that Jim Cellini teaches in his first volume of his (and Kosmo’s) “Art of Street Performing” series. It is well worth the money spent.

The main value to me was watching Peter Wardell work! It is clear that he knows what he is talking about from actual practice and performing under fire on the streets. I found the set good value for the price.
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He did quite well. Crowd building is all about talking for me. Shouting to in a big space. I do like gazzo's walk back style but it never worked for me. I prefer to talk and hardly ever do magic as a build. seems a waste to use what little I know at the start.
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Hi guys,
I'm wondering is this DVD set still available ?
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