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Alym Amlani
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If you have a DMX 512 controller you can get an American DJ Par 64 LED light that emits very little heat and allows for almost full coverage of the RGB spectrum for about 200 bucks!

Pick up a pair of these and you could probably light a standard stage show and have full control of the lighting and colour at the push of a button! Smile

I'm thinking of picking one of these up but am torn between this and the (much) cheaper par cans...
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Aren't they great!! you will see a lot more of this over the next year or so and I bet the price drops. I am waiting to see what comes out next year.
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Yup - I think I'll hang tight and wait on it; for now I'll just pick up a used par can or rent when necessary.
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Ok..you really need to look at the light output of this model. At 10 meters is had a mere 3.1 Lux. At 5 meters it is only 11.3.

Sure at 3 feet away it is bright, but I really doubt that two of these will light your performing area.

They will continue to come down in price...but I would wait for the bigger company's versions to come down in price, not these. If you just need to throw some ambient light onto something, then these may do it. But if you try to light your stage with them I think you will be disappointed

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Kevin, I'm fairly new to this but tell me more about Lux...
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Light is measuerd in several ways...Lux and Lumens, foot candles, and candlepower.
We will stick with Lux and Lumens for now.
1 Lumen = 10.76 Lux
1 Lux = .0929 Lumens
A LUMEN is a unit of measurement of light. A foot-candle is how bright the light is one foot away from the source. A lumen is a way of measuring how much light gets to what you want to light! A LUMEN is equal to one foot-candle falling on one square foot of area.


Here are some general numbers for typical lights used in theatre:

500 watt par = 3840 Lumens

1000 watt par = 6500 Lumens

MAC 2000 Intelligent Light from Martin = 33,000 Lumens

The full-moon, even on a clear night has a light intensity of 0.1 lumens. Sure the moon is bright and we can see and walk at night, but its a dull type of light.

That's a start, hope that helps...if you have more questions, just ask. There are also several other people here at the Café that are knowledgeable in this area.


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So 11.3 lux for the LED light and some 6000+ for a 1000 watt par? The standard par is 100 times brighter? That seems odd to say the least - I had heard that the LED lights were really bright...
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Kevin is absolutely correct on this! Although on the surface these LED lights appear to be a great find, you will find their lighting ability rather DIM compared to standard PARS or Intellegent Lighting. LEDS have come a long way and they are destined to just get better but so far I have not found anything that "lights a stage" that uses LEDS. My son bought some "UNDER CAR" ULTRA BRIGHT LED panels vs the standard NEON setup for under body lighting. They were a complete waste of money. Even though they are "Ultra Bright", they were extremely directional and did not broadcast the light uniformly like NEON does. Only in the darkest of conditions could you even see the LEDS were on.

For an alternative to standard PARS or DMX light fixtures to light a stage, Chauvet makes a Stage Wash that will recreate any color using 500w RGB floodlamps (1500w total)for about $250 USD. These will outperform the LED in brightness and it's also DMX-512 compatible.
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LEDs are measured in flux, not lumens or lux. Flux is a direct measurement of light which doesn't involve heat, which is the way an incandescent lamp generates light, by heating up the filament.

LEDs have no filament, and generate no heat.

When an LED manufacturer give a lux rating on an LED fixture, that measurement won't have any real value when comparing to incandescent ratings as it's not the appropriate measurement.

The telling issue is the fact the LEDs are quite brite up close, but have far more falloff, happening much sooner, than an incandescent lamp....bottom line is LED's don't throw light as well as incandescent.

You really can't compare LED's to incandescents by using instrument measurements, only your eyes.
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So for those who have seen these in action, how do they compare subjectively? I do a one-man-show and would be using a pair of these to give a bit more light to my stage work for corporate; I want lights that are low-heat (I get sweaty), light, and bright.

These seemed good but I haven't seen em. If I can find a place to rent them, I may just do that to see how they are first and foremost.
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Hi alym,

On the recent Todd Rundgren concert tour he used only LED fixutres. In order to get appropriate levels of light, the truss rig was made much smaller, and set up so the fixtures were much closer to the artists. The show was routinely praised in the press as looking great. He used only LED's, nothing else.

LED light is extremely pure, it's a lot like the dichroic filters in a Vari-Lite.....very deep colors are possible.

Currently, LED fixtures are still far more expensive than a comperable type of incandescent fixture. The bottom line really for LED's is that they must be used far closer to the item being illuminated than incandescent in order to get approximately the same light output.

Of course there is absolutely no heat to speak of, and you could plug a lot more fixtures into a 15 amp circuit than you could with incandescent.

For most users today you will find that the expense is the single largest drawback. Also, although I've indicated that the light output is lower, there are LED fixtures that have immense light output available for use, but there cost is in the $6000.00 per fixture range, and they're really only as bright as a couple of PAR 64's......but they do provide for RGB mixing to achieve a large variety of colors, something you can't do with a regular PAR, and LED's fade between colors, which you can't do with a standard color scroller mounted in front of an incandescent fixture.

I put up all new LED Christmas lights this year, and they were way cheaper than they were last year. I also saw my first LED kids night light for the same price as a normal night light while X-mas shopping last night.......the price on the technology is definitely falling year by year.

LED"s are here now in entertainment lighting, but currently only for those with deep pockets, or a specific technical or personal need...like needing a fixture that doesn't make you sweat.

Because the purchase cost is so high, and the rental return so low, I doubt you'll see these in rental inventory for a while yet, they couldn't recoup the original cost without charging a fortune to rent them.

Just some thoughts.
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I ended up ordering the Chavet version, I will let you know how they are when they get here.
Jason


http://www.chauvetlighting.com/system/fi......196.html
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I'm using Elation Octopod80s as atmospheric beams behind the band. They certainly aren't as bright as intelligent lights or pars, but they give a nice beam if you use haze or fog. All eight fixtures draw less than 100 watts, and they are about a half pound per fixture and run cool to the touch! I've got some photos of them behind our band at http://reelsmusic.com/skyearth/photos/photos.html

The one thing I don't like about the octopods are they have to run on an Elation controller and special cables run the power and control voltages. Four of the eight cables are only about 6 feet, and the other four are about ten feet long.

I'm considering selling those and buying the chauvet colorsplash, if they are brighter. Also they run on standard DMX cables, giving more flexability in where you can mount them.
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I got the CHAUVET p 196 http://www.chauvetlighting.com/system/fi......196.html yesterday, I will I must say I am very pleased, I plan to get four more (they are in back order they are so popular) and have three on either side of the stage (I use small stages 15x10 or so) and feel they will light the stage just fine.
I can't wait to see what they get next with LED. I am really glad I got them
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Oh that's great to hear!
I think I may go this route as well...It's great not to burn yourself just taking down the stage eh?
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These lights seem great. No more gels, less power, no heat. It almost seems too good to be true. I will be getting 4 of the LED PAR 64's in the next month or two. I always burn myself when I work with the normal PAR 64's because they get so hot. I'll let you all know how good they are when I get them and hook them up.
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I would recomend the Chauvet p 196s as they seem brighter than the Adj par 64 led's. I also want to point out that these are not as bright as a par 64 I would compare it more to the par 56, but they don't have the throw, I like that because I can have the lights on my smaller stage without the "hot spots" that you get with other lights. I think it again I THINK the LEDs have a cleaner nicer looking light.

PS springtree.net has been very helpful and have a great price on these, but like everywhere if you order now you probably won't see them for a month as Chauvet can't get them is stock fast enough. (a good and bad problem)
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I just got 4 LED Par 64s in today. They look great. I tried one out just to see how it looked...It's very bright and they look great. I will be setting them up this week on our stage as well as a Color Fusion (Color Bank).

The lights don't get hot at all which is what I like about them. I will let you all know how they turn out on the stage when I get everything hooked up.

Did anyone else buy these? I see a lot of people talked about them, but does anyone use them?
-Tyler
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