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jimgerrish Inner circle East Orange, NJ 3209 Posts |
This is probably a silly question, but I really don't know the answer to it because I rarely check in this area of the Magic Café.
Silly Question: Does anyone in this Street Magic area actually perform Street Magic, or do you just watch it on TV? If you actually perform street magic, you might be interested in X-Treme magic, the type in use by Cyril, Criss Angel, David Blaine, David Copperfield, and Lance Burton ... to name a few. It's the reason they are on TV. If you are interested in actually performing X-Treme magic (it's not for the kid show performer or Bucky the Magic Clown!) PM me and I'll put you on the track.
Jim Gerrish
magicnook@yahoo.com https://www.magicnook.com Home of The Wizards' Journals: https://magicnook.com/wizardsTOC.htm |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Street magic you see on TV has NOTHING to do with street magic in life as I have experienced it.
The guy just walking arround and performing random acts of magic on strangers for no apparant reason really makes NO sense to me personally. I street performed (busked). Hat pitch and all......what we watch on TV is an abomination to street magic.......I am not saying it is good or bad magic, just not traditional "street magic". Especially since 90% of it is simply camera tricks anyhow.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mrunge Inner circle Charleston, SC 3716 Posts |
I agree with Danny. "Hit and run" magic is NOT street magic.
If you want to see what REAL street magic is all about, then check out the following books or DVD. You'll get a great lesson in this realm of magic. Cellini - "The Art of Street Performing" DVD set Gazzo - "The Art of Krowd Keeping" book and Whit Haydn ( a regular contributor to The Magic Café) - "Street Magic" to name a few. Get these and study them. You'll soon see the difference. Real "street magicians" earn their living on the street. By understanding what a true "busker" goes through, you'll gain a new appreciation for these magicians. Their stories, and experiences, are truly amazing. |
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Paolo Venturini Veteran user Lucca (I.) - New York City 385 Posts |
Ditto.
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sjdavison Inner circle Surrey, UK 1379 Posts |
Exactly. Just close up magic, which happens to be on a street!!
They're cashing in on the large market (I believe 'keeping it real' as rappers constantly remind us!) Si |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Wow this is weird......I said something.........many people agreed with me and NOBODY got offended.........someone wake me up!!!!!!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Corey Harris Inner circle Kansas City, MO 1229 Posts |
Don't forget to add Chris Capehart to the list of Actual Street Magicians.
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sjdavison Inner circle Surrey, UK 1379 Posts |
Shut up Danny!!
Feel better now?! Si |
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Memory-Jah Inner circle Germany 1438 Posts |
What is buskedß I think there is a forum too which is for buskers or something like that. can you explain the word to me?
@ topic: I mostly agree with danny: since minimum 90% are camera tricks or tricks which can only be performed with a whole crew around you or gimmicks which are so expensive that only guy like angel and co can pay them( when he walks up a wall for example), street magic get a wrong image. but on the other hand I wouldnt say it is close-up on street. some tricks are better on stret or are tricks I would never use on close up table or something like that. this is thins like the raven,m5, any kind of levitation, and so on.
"Dropping your pants while you set off flash paper may allow your pass to go undetected, but it's still not invisible." - Count Elmsley
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
SJ now I fee a LOT better......all is right with the world again!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
To me, the magic that's being dubbed "street magic" is really about tricks
that appear to be impromptu. They can be tricks using a prior set up in certain situations or be truly impromptu. Many can be done not only on the street but anywhere with prior set up and/or some secret magic tools. The tricks have apparently caught the attention of curiosity seekers and those who were not looking to do paying shows but simple wanted to show tricks to those around them. A better label for this type of magic might be 'Casual Magic'. When I began this type of magic I made lists with titles like 'Walk Around Magic' or 'Everyday Magic'. |
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MDantes Inner circle New Orleans 1435 Posts |
I perform street magic. Or that is what I call it rather. I'll do it for money,I even table hop at work, but generally it is just me and my partner walking around, looking for people. Just for no reason at all, stopping them and saying "Hey can I show something" and telling a story with it. It shocked me rather to have some of you say this was strange to you.
That is not a bad thing. I just thought there were more like me. More than just one or two. I get a joy out of it. Don't get me wrong, money is good. But, I try to make it a point to bring the truth of magic to any person I come into contact with. Just a confession. Jester
S.A.N.C.T.U.M Chapter 18
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
And what is the truth of magic my friend? I am curious......seriously what is it?
Me I do it so I can have money to exchange for things I want to buy....but what is the truth? Did you do this type of thing before Blaine and Angle.......I seriously doubt it. This is NOT what street magic was originally.......(busking)
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
The truth of magic? Is there such a thing?
When I first started exploring magic I sought out effects that were impromptu or appeared to be. Yes, I did stuff similar to Blaine years before I ever heard of him or Angel. I'm sure others did too. Perhaps that's why a lot of magicians resent him and feel he is doing beginner magic and shouldn't have been given shows of his own. There was no pitch or busking involved for me and I considered it to be close up, walk-around magic. I did it for fun and still will if the right situation arises. When I started in magic my approach was very similar to Blaine's 'wanna see something cool' approach. We all have to start somewhere. |
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MDantes Inner circle New Orleans 1435 Posts |
Thank you Jaz.
And yes to be honest, I have done this before Blaine and or Angel. It is kind of silly to think magicians did not do this form of magic otherwise. They just made it popular. The Truth of magic... I hear the chuckle in some of your posts. It is different for everybody. For me, when I can show someone a magic "trick" or Perform sleight of hand and have not one person catch me in that group, that is magic. To me, To them. There is something magical about that. They didn't see it. They can't explain it. Most people think... Logically, and know it is not real. But, have you ever got those few who BELIEVE it is. No matter what you say. You see, to us magic folk, magic is sleight of hand or a gaff, it is a way of life for some of us. But to the laymen, most of them, it is real. We have just showed them the impossible. To have there signed card, ambitiously, be at the top of the deck with a snap, is beyond them. When you are at home, or performing for someone, and your pinky break is so nice that you can't even tell your doing it anymore. That is magic, to me. The truth of magic everyone should be able to witness, in my opinion, that is why we do this ... magic. To show people, to show the truth, somethings are possible. Regardless of the method. It is magic to them. Just skimming the surface. By any means, I am not trying to force anything on anyone. This is just my mentality. If I offend anyone. I apologize. Jester
S.A.N.C.T.U.M Chapter 18
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
Jester:
Anyone who wants to be offended, will be offended. There are people who go through life looking for opportunities to be offended and, sad to say, this forum has its share of easily offended magicians. But I ain't one of 'em. You can chose NOT to be offended, NOT to be insulted, and turn jeers into cheers. That's what magic is all about.
Professor Spellbinder
Professor Emeritus at the Turkey Buzzard Academy of Magik, Witchcraft and Wizardry http://www.magicnook.com Publisher of The Wizards' Journals |
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MDantes Inner circle New Orleans 1435 Posts |
I am glad someone else feels the same way I do.
I was told I needed to talk to you Spellbinder. PM me please. Jester
S.A.N.C.T.U.M Chapter 18
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Frank Tougas Inner circle Minneapolis, MN 1712 Posts |
Real street magic is hard work and I am in awe of those who really do it. Yes I have performed for a few street fairs and festivals but always under the sponsorship of some organization. I didn't have to pass the hat to earn my keep and it was still a hard thing to do. To get a crowd, keep them entertained and then ask for and collect money for your efforts.
The magicians noted in the original question are not street performers, and yes some of them did have their run at clowning and doing kids magic at birthday parties. And this Faddish idea that anything with the misspelled X-treme in front of it is ones ticket to fame and fortune is just dumb. Nice marketing ploy for the twenty and under crowd. I believe there are others who feel this way and are just too tired to express it anymore since this crazy wandering style has become the holy grail for the street wannabe. Personally I feel the hard working busker and street performer are too busy working hard to sit at their computer and be X-treme. Frank Tougas
Frank Tougas The Twin Cities Most "Kid Experienced" Children's Performer :"Creating Positive Memories...One Smile at a Time"
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
There, Jaz, see? Someone is offended by the X-Treme spelling of Extreme. One can ALWAYS find things to be offended by, if one is trying hard to be offended.
For those who aren't offended, but merely curious, the alternate spelling of the word (which follows all the same rules of flexible evolving English that created words that have now gone into the dictionary... like Coke and Pepsi, hip-hop, and x-ray) allows us to talk about an approach to magic that is as old as the art itself. In fact, the X-Treme magician will be expected to work harder than Bucky the Clown ever imagined, just to set up and execute a seemingly "impromptu" miracle. The only rest and relaxation they get will be when they sit down at a computer to work out the intricate details of their next miracle with others of like minds.
Professor Spellbinder
Professor Emeritus at the Turkey Buzzard Academy of Magik, Witchcraft and Wizardry http://www.magicnook.com Publisher of The Wizards' Journals |
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Frank Tougas Inner circle Minneapolis, MN 1712 Posts |
You prove your own point spellbinder. You wanted to find and so you did. I didn't say I was offended, I said it was dumb to think it's one's ticket...well you can always go back and read it.
Frank Tougas
Frank Tougas The Twin Cities Most "Kid Experienced" Children's Performer :"Creating Positive Memories...One Smile at a Time"
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