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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Here's the second best answer: You need to gather them up because it's rude to have your coins all over the place when someone else wants to sit down and enjoy a cup of coffee with you.
the best answer is soctt alexander's.
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
Yours isn't bad, Frank.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Folks, if you wanted to take four coins in one hand and put them into your other hand, you could. For that matter, if you wanted to put four coins under a card, you could. If you wanted to move the coins under a card, you could. All of these things you can do. Real people do these actions all the time without even thinking about it.
What word do you suggest we use to describe an action we can all do, have done, everybody does and almost nobody even thinks about doing, they just do it when they want to? I used the word trivial. Not to be confused with getting a coin out of someone else's hand which can be most difficult.
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Dr Marvin New user Florida 91 Posts |
If you the magician can perform miracles, then why are you messing around with coins? Making them jump to corners, then backfire, then fire back to the corner again is kind of redundant
I guess you then have to take deeper look into magic vs. miracles. I am not here to get into a religious debate, but some speculate that a man named Jesus performed miracles. He cured the blind and healed the sick - that’s miracles with meaning. Now let’s look deeper into magic with meaning....if that’s at all possible. Magic is almost showing off. I think Jerry Seinfeld said it the best when he made a comment about magic: " Here's a quarter now it’s gone, now its back...you’re a jerk!" Magicians say that magic is “art.” Now I am not saying that magic isn’t an art, because I believe it is. But there are few artists in magic! Many magicians on this forum talk about being artists, and then they go out and buy the latest book or DVD. I highly doubt that Leonard De Vinci just went and bought the latest art book and copied a picture he saw in there, or just simply modified it. I know that my post went off topic a little, but I believe that I made a few good points. I also think that I am a little nervous right now before I head into surgery, so that’s why I might have gotten off topic. Dr Marvin 12-13-05 |
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Nathan Alexander Inner circle 2021 Posts |
Magic and OCD with coin placement. Or maybe one coin smells really, really good.
Sorry. Magic IS the best answer. |
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MoonBeam Regular user 120 Posts |
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On 2005-12-09 03:55, Cpontz wrote: ...And now back to our regularly scheduled program... |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On 2005-12-13 11:21, Jonathan Townsend wrote: I already gave my answer. ^^^^^^^ Posted: Dec 13, 2005 12:19pm Quote: On 2005-12-13 11:27, Dr Marvin wrote: " Here's a quarter now it’s gone, now its back...you’re a jerk!" Not absolutely representative of magic and magicians, I'd say. This thread started out with someone trying to add meaning to his magic. Nobody's trying to play Jesus. Let's try to be original in our magic, shall we? There's enough imitators out there already. ...patter for coin matrix- why do the coins travel? why do the cards cover the coins? |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
How about a flea circus type presentation?
Add a strip of card to cover the gap and pretend fleas are moving the coins. :)
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
What makes magic fun and entertaining are often absurd explainations.
People enjoy an absurd explaination. Kind of the same reason we all enjoy the game "mouse trap". Nobody probably EVER actually played the game. They all just sat down and created these absurd mouse traps. Games are supposed to be fun but in this case, it's the making of something creative and absurd that is the real entertainment. And what does this have to do with this threa? I'm not sure..
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Cpontz Special user Daupin PA 553 Posts |
Well - this has turned into quite the thread. Some magicians want to keep the trick without patter. Others, like myself want to put a little personal presentation or reason to it. Some people got upset with some of the posts, and some found them thought provoking.
I agree that magicians should not simply "copy" other magicians material, but some tricks like Matrix are so good it is hard not to do it as it was developed. The bottom line is that we as magicians should be focusing on entertaining the audience whether it is just for a few friends or for a real audience. If the trick is more entertaining with a reason (and that depends on your personal style and presentation), then I believe it is worth the effort to develop the reason - even if it is a absurd story that the audience likes. I think that the Jerry Sinefeld comment doesn't really apply to magicans who take their magic seriously. It was written as a joke and although it may apply to those few beginners who are just trying to impress someone, for the most part coin magicians take their work seriously and want to enterain the audience, not just fool them. I like the different ideas that have been presented and hope that this thread helps other people to think about their presentations, whether it be Matrix or any other trick they learn. But of couse, the ultimate goal of the magician should be to develop their own material. Threads like this can help people in their thought process as they develop their material. Thanks everyone! Craig |
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MoonBeam Regular user 120 Posts |
Thank you Craig, for asking the probing questions. And to everyone else that added value to this topic.
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On 2005-12-13 14:03, Cpontz wrote: Very true. There are many different VALID presentation styles. |
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Frank Tougas Inner circle Minneapolis, MN 1712 Posts |
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On 2005-12-13 11:16, magicalaurie wrote: I agree Laurie. This sounds like so much back-pedeling to me. I'd like to complement craig on starting a thread that pulled in so many of the heavies in coin magic and so much controversy as well. Even with what seemed like endless attempts at changing the subject from thoughtful to trivial, it pretty much stayed on course and allowed many in the Café to see the difference between what one says and what one intends. I too agree this thread which had really good possibilities has become a cartoon of itself and I am jumping off the merry-go-round as well. However as Q said in Star Trek TNG, "I do not promise not to return." Frank Tougas
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Yup, there are a few of us who shared ideas and options to explore for the trick, and a few who seem to like making comments about other people's posts, or worse make presumptions about other people's intentions. Not a bad mix. I liked Mike R's termite table so much the image of extra cover cards came to mind.
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TomKMagic Special user I tripped over 620 Posts |
This thread has made me want to practice Matrix again and think of a unique story for it. I will have to brainstorm later.
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On 2005-12-13 11:59, Nathan Alexander wrote: That is a a funny, but practically usable idea about OCD. You could add dementia for the ending when the coins appear back in the original corners. Quote:
On 2005-12-13 21:06, Jonathan Townsend wrote: I also visualized having the coins on the pads and the cards covered each coin, like tents for the circus (there's your reason for covering the coins with cards), then you place a string or thin paper strip between each card for the flea to walk across with the coin (the reason the coins moved). Then, the magic happens, the coins move to other corners. And they are so efficient, that they are prepared for the next show (the coins are now in the original corners). It's complete! |
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Nathan Alexander Inner circle 2021 Posts |
You could explain that you start the trick off in different phases for different folks, (tongue in cheek) as you reveal coins traveling.
"Sometimes I start with a coin..." and so on, saying the few different starts depend on mood (the magic has started yet but everyone see's that it IS happening) until you get to the end and say something along the lines of "But the idea is that no matter how you start, I try to at least make the endind impressive by having them meet together kinda like this..." Then you reveal the climax like you're working on the trick showing how you could start with several already together (as if the magic doesn't register with you) but the idea see, is to get them to join up. Then ask their opinion if that would be a good trick. Posted: Dec 14, 2005 10:41am I should have checked for errors on the above post. Sorry folks. The basic idea is that as you explain how you COULD start were you to show this trick to people (including them) you make the magic happen. "Or instead of having one under each card I could already just have two to start at one point to make it shorter (whatever)..." Does this make sense? |
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
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On 2005-12-13 14:03, Cpontz wrote: Craig, JS's joke is more likely based on years working the comdey club circut with profesional magicians... People laugh at it because that is a common perception of magicians who's only motivation for their tricks seems to be "It's magic" or "I can fool you" We wouldn't expect people to sit through a movie that was nothing but car chases and crashes without first giving them some idea of who was in the car and why they were being chased, and yet magicians seem to think that "it's magic" is all the reason they need to create interest. That might be the case, if the magic was beautiful to watch, like a good levitation, or horrible to imagine, like the Needle Thru Arm, but most people know that it ISN'T really magic and find "it's magic" to be kinda insulting. Hence, the joke. |
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Larry Stangel New user Rhode Island 93 Posts |
My presentation for Matrix (and coins across) is that the coins are my coin collection. Being a magician I don't have to do anything because they collect themselves. The rest of the patter is explanatory with a few gags thrown in.
Larry
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Cpontz Special user Daupin PA 553 Posts |
WS: Point well taken.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Going to the joke approach...
The audience looks at our stuff and sometimes wonders If it were really magic, it is being used in a trivial and wasteful way. If it is not magic, then why pretend it is? Or is that the joke? Does the performer let the audience in on this joke? Does that make us comedians of a sort? Here's an odd idea... cards as bacterial culture or petrie dishes. The coin's don't assemble, one simply multiplies under one card and the others die off under the others. Yes I know that would mean there would be a 1-2-4 under a card and so change the flow of Al's routine a little bit.
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