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mrmystic
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The cups I use seem to be a little smaller them others I have seen. I got some smaller red tennis balls that fit in them great for a final load, but sometimes they stick when I want them to roll out. I have seen other performers bang their cups to unwedge stuck balls, but I think having to do this breaks the flow of the performance.
My question is this, is there somthing I could use to coat the balls to make them slicker or maybe shave down the balls some like warn out balls that don't have as much fuzz.
I am sure others have encountered this problem and I am wondering what they did to correct it, short of finding smaller loads.
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Mrmystic, I would recommend that you find loads that fit comfortably in your cups. I feel that trying to "customize" the loads you currently have will eventually cause you a problem.

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If they are that close, you might consider sanding them a little. I tried this once with some tennis balls to get them to fit into some cups I used to own, and it worked fine.

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If you coat the balls with anything to make them slicker, chances are it will rub off on your hands while you are performing. Then everything else will become slicker (unless you use something that will dry). This may not be an advantage. Certain cups are constructed so this isn't a problem. For example, Paul Fox cups and Monti cups will take a lacrosse ball in such a way that it does not tend to wedge in the cup. A lacrosse ball is solid rubber and quite hard, so when you put the cup on the table, it will tend to drop out naturally. Most tennis balls, other than some of the tennis ball dog toys, are hollow and light. This contributes to their "wedgeability."

When doing his chop cup routine, Don Alan used a heavy ball. He also banged the cup on the table as a regular part of the routine, so people got used to it. You might consider this.

Unless you are really solidly hooked on tennis balls, you might consider using one of the training baseballs. They are smaller than regular baseballs, and you might be able to find one that fits into your cup. Or the Mike Rogers final load baseballs might also be an option.
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K-Mart used to sell a hard rubber ball dog toy in the pet department, that was slightly smaller than a lacrosse ball that made a great final load. Heavy like a lacrosse ball, but it didn't have the "bounce" or the cost. At the time, early ninties, they were a dollar a piece and came in colors. Unlike the lacrosse balls I have found which usually come in an off white.

You might try looking at this as a final load option.

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Lacrosse balls are now available in white, blue, yellow, green and orange. You can get a six pack of them at some of your favorite sporting goods stores.
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Too bad they don't have red. That would make a good green-red christmas load! Same with black and orange, halloween. Maybe next halloween if I do a halloween party, Il draw pumpking on my oranges.
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On 2005-12-14 23:52, mrmystic wrote...

My question is this, is there somthing I could use to coat the balls to make them slicker or maybe shave down the balls some like warn out balls that don't have as much fuzz.
I am sure others have encountered this problem and I am wondering what they did to correct it, short of finding smaller loads.

The other replies here are good, but there is a possible solution to your dilemma. Put a teaspoon or two of baby powder or talcum powder in a bag. Toss the load balls into the bag. Twist the top of the bag shut and shake it real good. The talcum powder will work into the fuzz of the balls. Remove the balls from the bag and pat them and bounce them around for a little bit to shake off the excess powder. (If you can juggle, but not very well, here's your chance to use that skill.) The small amount of talcum powder that remains should make the balls a little more slippery without causing any adverse side effects like slippery hands. Hope this helps!

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(Slightly off topic) I have noticed that lacrosse balls are much more readily available in sports stores. As Bill has pointed out, they're now also available in a range of colors. They make lovely load balls, but I know very little about the game they were intended for. Why is the sport becoming more popular? Have I missed something?

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It is an awesome sport. Very popular on the East Coast. Now getting popular on the West Coast. I use them for final loads with my Johnson cups. For The phoenix cups I use an orange street hockey ball. Perfect fit, does not get wedged.
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Thanks for the tips. I tried a few of the ideas and they worked ok. The loads only stick a little and come out with just a shake of the cups. I would use something smaller, but these balls look like the normal loads only bigger and I like the reaction I get with them.
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The local K-Mart has giant orange ping-pong balls in the sporting goods section. They are slightly smaller than a baseball.
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Actually they are much smaller than baseballs, about 1 fifth the size. Might make good hank balls.
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On 2005-12-18 23:44, mrmystic wrote:
[...] I would use something smaller, but these balls look like the normal loads only bigger and I like the reaction I get with them.


IMO there is nothing better than switching a load at the end of the effect so that the load won't fit in the cup. My suggestion is to keep looking for the right size loads. It took me about a year to get a set of matching loads ranging from 1" to softball size that perfectly match.

This will come in handy if you preform with more than one set of cups. The loads that I now have will fit just about all the cups that I own.
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There are other ways to get an oversized load out of a cup. If you are doing a three cup routine, you can do an oversized fourth load. I can't go into the details here -- open forum, but I'll put something in the Secret Sessions.
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You can find 8" baseballs on the web that will fit just great if a regular size tennis ball is a bit too snug.

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I suggest sanding them, or finding some sponge balls that will fit.
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On 2006-01-18 13:33, Bill Palmer wrote:
There are other ways to get an oversized load out of a cup. If you are doing a three cup routine, you can do an oversized fourth load. I can't go into the details here -- open forum, but I'll put something in the Secret Sessions.


I've done this ala Paul Gertner (those who know will understand), but lately have just done a switch after the fact as Im cleaning up.

I'll look for your post Bill in the S.S.
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I have no idea if this will help, but I was thinking you could spray Pledge Furnature Wax or use car wax on the inside of your cups and polish them smooth. Making the interior of your cups slicker could be all you need.

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On 2005-12-16 05:23, taliesin wrote:
(Slightly off topic) I have noticed that lacrosse balls are much more readily available in sports stores. As Bill has pointed out, they're now also available in a range of colors. They make lovely load balls, but I know very little about the game they were intended for. Why is the sport becoming more popular? Have I missed something?

Richard


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