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Maviee
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Recently I met an old buddy from school, and he told me that he had been in a David Copperfield show some weeks ago. He knows that I like magic, and told me some of the illusions D.C. showed.



He also told me of a card routine, where a black scorpion finds the card from a spectator "on it’s own". This sounds very cool Smile Is a smaller version (maybe not with a scorpion) buyable?



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I'm going to see Copperfield in a couple of weeks. I'll let ya know...
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Great.. thanks. Please also have a look, if D.C. is not able to hold the cards when the scorpion tries to get the card the first time. All cards fell on the ground when I saw the trick.



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What is "cool" about the effect?



The scorpion?

Finding the card?

An element of danger?



If I knew that I could, possibly, direct you toward a routine.



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It just sounds cool!



I imagine that a black scorpion finds a spectators card. I have not seen the effect though! That's why I ask for the name of the trick.



And the element which impresses me so much, is that a dangerous animal finds the card itself.



Maybe that could help you a bit Smile



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I saw D.C. perform the trick in Brussels a few months ago. He doesn't hold the cards, but they are laying on a transparent tray with two spectators holding it up.



D.C. holds the tail/sting and lets the scorpion slowly down. Pulls it back up and the scorpion holds the selected card.

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Mav,



What you are thrilled by is the presentation, which you are not allowed to pilfer. How it is done is less important. Don't copy Copperfield or any other performer for that reason. Find out what it is you wish to say with your magic and then build your routines around that.



I figured it was the danger element that interested you. I suggest you look into a marketed routine in which a mouse trap is used to find a card. It snaps shut on the card. Your presentation could put you into the equation with some element of risk of it snapping closed on you.



If danger is what you want to portray in your magic, I suggest you look up any of the many strange effects like razor blades or needles from mouth, needle thru arm, etc. Consider the actual risk involved vs. the implied risk achieved.



It is your call.



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Quote:

On 2002-01-10 20:22, Tom Cutts wrote:

Mav,



What you are thrilled by is the presentation, which you are not allowed to pilfer. [...]

Tom Cutts





Hmmm. Don't you think "pilfer" is a rather strong word to use in response to someone who is merely inquiring about a routine, has asked if it can be purchased and, in fact, has even expressed an interest in CHANGING the presentation?



I'm just wondering if you percieve your response (to "Mav") to be as insulting as I do.



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There is an effect in Simon Lovel's 2nd book where a cat finds the selected card himself.

(Does work! I tried it)

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Tom, Of course it is thrilling when a scorpion finds the card. You can't deny that. I said that this effect sounds cool,

I never said I want to copy D.C's routines. I just find the idea very interesting to present a card trick with a scorpion! That's all. If it would be a rat or beetle, I would have said the same I guess. And I don't want to copy D.C's routines. I only asked if a smaller version of his trick is available in a magic shop. I don't like those strange

"dangerous" effects, and that's defintly not the way I want to present tricks.



P.B. Jones, Thanks for the advice. I'll have a look at the book when I receive the money for the next month Smile



Thomas, Yes, I also find that the reply of Tom was insulting... Nevertheless, he posted



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What is the name of Simon Lovell's book with the cat trick in it? Sounds cool!
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Hi!

The book is, "Son Of Simon Says, More Magic Of Simon Lovell"

The item is on page 117.

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Maviee!



Hello! Just a thought, but I wonder if the scorpion is directed to the card by either a scent, or ???



Maybe even a mannerism exclusive to only scorpions elicits some type of response...







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Hi Steve Smile



The thought about the scent sounds very good. The bad thing is that I didn't see the trick by myself, I know it only from a friend. Maybe someone could describe the setting for the trick a bit more detailed.

I just know that D.C. chooses people from the audience to assist and that the scorpion finds a chosen card. (forced?)

Maybe N14 can say more about the setting.



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Mav





PS: It's weekend *juhu* Smile
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Tom, cut Maviee some slack here. He's just trying to see if a cool trick is out there and can be bought. He's obviously trying to see if it's a Copperfield original (whatever that is) or if it's an old trick he can find in a book. Thomas, thanks for your comments.



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it is possible that there is a pressure point on the scorpions tail or something and he just has to squeeze at the right moment Smile
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Maybe it's a robot--or computer animation.
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Hey,
Two spectators are holding the scorpion in a clear container... my guess is that he controls the selection to the bottom with whatever method, and angles it up a bit so he can guide the scorpion to that card. he then fans the cards in one hand. a scorpion will clip anything it gets near with it's claws. all he needs to do is guide the scorpion to the selection and the scorpion will naturally clip it. I'm sure it is not done by scent or movements. you can also get the trick where a small car stops at a selected card from magic dealers. similar effects to this one are card stabs and card foutains. I like using a wind-up toy (found in any toy store) to walk over a tabled spread and stop on a card. well... I hope that helps a bit for finding a similar trick.
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Or superglue a power magnet to the scorpion and have a shim card selected Smile Smile

I prefer the effect where the Grizzly Bear knocks the deck out of your hand and the one card remaining is the selection. Smile

Hot in that bear costume though.

Ok ok, I'm being silly now.
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I saw Copperfield perform this trick a few weeks ago. A couple of points (if I remember correctly!)... After the card was returned to the deck and the deck shuffled, the cards were placed in a large metal clip. One spectator held onto the cards (via the metal clip), so from there on, Copperfield only handles the scorpion, not the cards.

Another interesting thing, was that at the performance I attended, the cards were also dropped to the floor, as someone else mentioned. I would guess that this is a regular part of the routine and that it is solely a presentational thing, and not connected with the methodology of the effect (although it might be!).

Copperfield has the assisting spectator retrieve the cards from the floor, so "You know I'm not doing anything tricky" (at this point you are at least sure that the cards are well mixed - prehaps the point of dropping them to the floor?) Anyway, it took quite a while, but the scorpion finally grabbed the selected card. In fact, the scorpion was briefly holding onto two cards, and then dropped the odd card, maintaining the selection. This is also an interesting point, although I believe this to be an accidental occurance, rather than a scripted thing.
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