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Hello,
I am scouring my library for sources of information about equivoque, as well as actual scripts that describe the wordings used. A good friend recommended the Mind and Magic of David Berglas. I'm wondering if I could receive a few other recommendations on sources that have been helpful to you. Thanks in advance for your help, and have a very Happy New Year!

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I personally think Docc Hilford's E'VOKE is the best, perhaps the final answer of this technique...but I'm sure many others will have their own view..

Jack Dean has a tough take on it too...

BTW, LOVE watching you on those demos on that one site Smile good work! take care....
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Hi Oz,

Like your card magic videos! Phil Goldstein (Max Maven) has a booklet on equivoque that's really good. I think it's called Verbal Control (I'm not at home to check). You can sometimes find that gem on eBay, which is how I obtained it. Also check out these sources:

Mind Control by David Eldridge
The Equivoque Choice by Jack Dean

One of the effects on Max Maven's VideoMind DVDs -- perhaps on the second volume -- involves using equivoque to force a coin, and Max goes into detail regarding what to say.


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The Equivoque Choice by Jack Dean is very good. I enjoyed it quite a bit. It talks about different techniques and effects possible with this powerful tool. I think it is really a starting off point for equivoque though. In Mind, Myth & Magick, there has to be something on the subject. Also, the David Berglas book is very good. I think it is better than Jack Dean's book.
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[quote]On 2005-12-26 12:07, Gede Nibo wrote:
I personally think Docc Hilford's E'VOKE is the best, perhaps the final answer of this technique...but I'm sure many others will have their own view..

I'll second Hilfords E'Voke. Some very good subtleties there.
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On 2005-12-26 12:09, rrubin98 wrote:

One of the effects on Max Maven's VideoMind DVDs -- perhaps on the second volume -- involves using equivoque to force a coin, and Max goes into detail regarding what to say.



I’m pretty sure that Max does not go into much detail about equivoque in his presentation of Positive Negative; at least not on the VHS version.

E’voque is good, but it certainly has limitations. It’s not the “final answer” on this technique.

The other options mentioned above are also good.

Another four sources are:

Phantini’s Challenge Mental Act (similar to E’voque)

Free Will (a different sort of Magician’s Choice with a clever twist at the end)

Hasterix (from Person to Person by Lewis Jones)

Chatter on Patter (free from Magic Bunny UK)

Also, I think Max Maven is coming out with a new DVD entirely dedicated to equivoque.

Oh yeah, I'm also a fan of your work. In fact, I was about to take another look at the way you do the Henry Christ alignment move in the demo for Color Monte. It looks better than the way I've been doing it.

Thanks,

Elliott
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Eugene Burger also mentioned Max is soon to release a DVD only about E’voque .

I've never been called on it by layman. I even use it in my stage show.
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Mr. Burger himself has a good handle on this gem. I think he only makes it available to his students as a lecture page of notes, though you can certainly check with him to be sure.
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I think why some magicians don't like it cause they are not thinking as a layman.
It all boils down to timing and presentation. The layman will think they chose the number, object etc.....
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I have been performing Docc Hilford's E'VOKE, exactly as written in his booklet. Word for word.

The audience reaction was excellent. I completely underestimated the audience reaction.

Highly recommended.
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I just can agree with Rick and others. There are many publications on this. But E'voke by Hilford really is very good written and highly recommended because in this booklet he really gives you detailed wording and some psychology behind the magicians choice.

ALso if you repeat the effect the audience never could detect something. That's usually a problem many have on Equivoque. The wording on this, in the eyes of the audience, must be fluidly and withoud any doubt that the action they do is just that one which was planned from the beginning.

So this really is fully covered in this booklet by Hilford.

IMO magicians choice is one of the most powerful "waepons" in a mentalist's repertoire.

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I just want to add Christian Chelman's routine from his book Capriconian Tales.
it uses 5 coins and an aditional technique which is NOT used in any of the above sources.
his script has a special something that allows you to say things like "...now remember, think very well on your next choice, because whatever it will be it will be eliminated"
this is extrememly strong and will fool people "in the know", since you, on some stages in the routine say in advance what you will do and you stress it. This stays inside of the spectator's head for a long time.
learn how to use it...

in general I find equivoque to be even stronger when combined with other principles.

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On 2005-12-26 12:09, rrubin98 wrote:
Phil Goldstein (Max Maven) has a booklet on equivoque that's really good. I think it's called Verbal Control (I'm not at home to check). You can sometimes find that gem on eBay, which is how I obtained it.


It is indeed called Verbal Control, and is available from H & R Magic Books, http://www.magicbookshop.com, for the ludicrously nice price of $5.
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Also add to you list the thinking of DAVID BERGLAS found in the book about his life.

An expensive book...but worth it.

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Those who don't have the funds for the Berglas book might like to know that the section on equivoque was printed in one of the magazines around the time the book was published. I don't recall which mag or which issue, but I found it through the Café, so I know it's on here somewhere.
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Here is an online .pdf file, from an issue of magicbunny.co.uk's Top Hat magazine, that may also be of some help. You may not want to use it as is -- using equivoque to force a single card out of a full deck -- but it offers some good insights. Enjoy.
http://www.magicbunny.co.uk/tophat/copissue1.pdf#search='patter%20equivoque'
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Let us not forget "Scorched" by Greg Arce. It's a killer! You can find it here:

http://www.geniimagazine.com/forum/cgi-b......t=001095

Enjoy!
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sgrossberg wrote: Let us not forget "Scorched" by Greg Arce. It's a killer!

Seconded: Greg's work on this is top notch. We owe him one.
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On 2005-12-27 15:27, Brian Turntime wrote:
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sgrossberg wrote: Let us not forget "Scorched" by Greg Arce. It's a killer!

Seconded: Greg's work on this is top notch. We owe him one.


Well thanks for the words of encouragement

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