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OK I have a question which I thought I knew the answer too already.

I took my wife to see a hypnotist in Branson recently. Danny Doyle was his name, and I have a few questions of other stage hypnotists. He wasn't as helpfull as I had hoped.

First of all I have always wondered if the show was simply people who work for the hypnotist. Especially in the Live Entertainment Capital of the world it would be pretty easy. To try to prove this one way or the other I actually went up on stage to try and when I was sent to my seat it kind of confirmed my suspicions.

So imagine my suprise when he says "sleep" and my wife falls asleep in the audience right next to me. This was a woman who can not get drunk enough to sing kareoke mind you, up on stage being one stand out in a bunch of about 14 people. She is afraid to give a presentation at work and here she is cheering for a horse race that dosn't exist in front of about 200 people.

I went back 4 nights, thank goodness he actually comped us for some after talking with us. Between 20 and 12 new people every night, except for one, people falling asleep in the audience, things happening with hot and cold and reactions I could NOT believe even though my wife was under, and I have 4 DVDs of 4 different shows!

He did maybe a 6 minute induction and then BAM they were doing things. How is that possible? I am just curious as I may want to start doing this. Danny "claimed" that it was all on the up and up, BUT one night when he had only a few people he did a show which involved more physical stunts, some of which I even knew from some old things we did as kids.

So whats the deal guys is it real? Is my wife a great liar? and actress? If I wanted to learn how would I go about it?

Man am I curious!
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Jack,

Danny Doyle is a frequent poster on this site. BTW, I had the same questions as you did not all that long ago and decided to take some additonal training and get NGH certified per the advice of Lee Darrow and others who post in this section. Yes, it does work and it is not particularly difficult to put someone into hypnosis. In theory, what you are doing is bypassing the conscious mind (the rational and analytical part), and sending information directly to the subconscious mind. Suggestions are more easily absorbed when someone is in a hypnotic state as the critical factor (or gatekeeper between the conscious and subconscious mind) is essentially "sent on a break" while the person is in hypnosis.

It is very likely that you were in hypnosis when you were up on stage yourself, but perhaps just not as deep as Danny would have liked for the show. As you may have noticed, it's a completely different feeling then what you have seen in the movies. It's not a zombie-like state, but more of a hyperawareness. You hear evertyhing and know what's going on. The bottom line is, if you don't want to do something while in hypnosis you aren't going to do it.

Also, it's very easy to create the hallucinations you describe in others if they are in a deep state of hypnosis. With the correct suggestions I've had people describe a show to me on a TV that was turned off, talk to an excercise ball that they thought was a little girl, etc. This only scratches the surface of the potential of hypnosis, however, as it can also be used as a therapy to resolve your wife's presentation fears and a number of other "non-medical" problems using various techniques. The techniques are very straightforward once you know how to do them.

I recommend live training if you really want to learn more. I took my training training through the Omni Hypnosis Training Center in Deland, Fl from Gerald Kine and Bob Brenner. They are both superb trainers. While their focus is primarily hypnotherapy they also have done stage work and have many stories to share with those who are interested. The course was eye opening and I'd highly recommend it to anyone with more than just a passing curiousity of what all this hypnosis stuff is about. It was a launching point for me because I want to do stage work and, more importantly, I wanted to be able to do it safely.

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Yea I hear Danny contributes here regularly!

Anyhow Scotty is right essentially. I don't want to get into a is hypnosis real debate as they have been done to death on this forum, and as I believe I told you in person Jack, I don't want to make you believe one way or the other.

Religion is for belief, not my show. anyone can be entertained by the show even if they don't beleive.

I do the stunts as what I call my "emergency show". Either not enough volunteers or they are so unresponsive that the stunts actually come off as more entertaining. It is a judgement call I make.

I end up doing the "emergency show" about once every 5 months. Lucky you that you got to see it.

So get some training as suggested, I don't recomend anyone as I am not an agent for any of them. Then learn how to be on a stage. This will actually take longer than learning to hypnotise people.

Then go sell it!

Good luck
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Danny,

Great quote on the belief aspect! Any chance of discussing the "emergency show" a little more for us aspiring stage guys?

Scott
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Well I don't want to hijack a thread from someone, I certianly don't want to get people calling me a fraud and I definatly don't want to anger the other hypnotists who DO NOT use this method.

Many will simply cancel a show and I respect that choice. It was just not a feasable way to do it for my investors. We needed to be consistant till we had enough people, and I would NOT use stooges, knowingly before show. What I mean is I will NOT pay people to act hypnotised.

PM me and we can chat some yea Scotty. Thanks for the kind words.
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OK I have more information now and am not entirley sure it is good or bad.

It seems learning hypnosis is one of 2 things, almost impossible, or quite expensive!
Why is that true? If it is so easy to do and learn why should it be that way?

I mean supply and demand right?

and I don't mind if someone "hijacks" the topic of discussion. I would like to know of the "emergency show" as well. It is not spoken about in any of the literature from Johnathan Royal or any others I have.

Any help would be appreciated in advance thanks.
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Amazon is full of hypnosis books. Whether or not they are any good...? Johnathan Royle is, I have heard, a salesman and not very good for hypnosis. I'll let one of the other guys explain more.



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I heard the same of Royal and as a matter of fact MOST of the guys selling stuff.

what it comes to is if they are spending all the time doing seminars and selling stuff how much can they be working. and IF their stuff works why are they not working?
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I myself would love to learn Stage Hypnosis, but their is no one here to teach me, no hypnotists here as far as I know, and hardly no books or videos in stores on the subject.
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I have never used stooges and most modern hypnotists do not need stooges. I have heard of only one rated x hypnotist that used stooges - because he had a hard time getting people on the stage. But that was years ago and I have no idea if he is still in the business.

It is not the job of the stage hypnotist to make the audience believe in hypnosis. It is the job of the hypnotist to do an entertaining show. When asking for volunteers - they believe in hypnosis or they don't. Hypnosis is a step program. Follow the steps and if the subjects want to be hypnotized they go under. People go in and out of hypnosis all day long and most don't notice it.

They really hypnotize themselves and the stage hypnotist says the proper words at the proper time in the proper way and they go under if they want to and follow the steps. But once their under you REALLY have to know what you are doing.

Suggested reading any books by Ormond McGill and Jerry Valley.

Try the internet book stores. Good luck!
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I would like to clarify that no professional hypnotist should use stooges.

This is the exact reason for my emergency show.

If you can't do the show as advertised, volunteers not stooges, don't do the show at all.

Good point Glenn.
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Hey Danny,

Do you remember the old joke about the carnival hypnotist?

Well, the carnival came to town with a hypnotist tent show. Outside the hypnotist would do a short show as part of the side show. A guy would get up and challenge the hypnotist and say that hypnosis was bull. The hypnotist would get him to come inside the tent. The rest of the people paid to see this guy that did not believe in hypnotism eat a candle.

Next night same thing - this time the guy in the crowd apparently hypnotized and ate a bar of soap.

The press saw the show and wrote a bad review for the hypnotist and called the hypnotist a fake.

The next night there was a huge crowd at the side show. The hypnotist took the stage and held up the newspaper with the headlines HYPNOTIST FAKE AT CARNAVAL and started to talk to the crowd.

A guy with the words press on a card on his hat stood up and said I wrote that story and I would like you to try to hypnotize me to eat those words! Then they went into the tent. In the story it sold out the show.

But no one knew if the guy with the words press on his hat found the newspaper to be tastier than the bar of soap or the candle that he ate a few days before.

That is one of my favorite old show biz stories.
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Gawd that is an OLD and a GREAT joke!!!!!!


I forgot it till ya said it.

Great point too.
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On 2006-01-25 15:35, Jack Riggs wrote:

It seems learning hypnosis is one of 2 things, almost impossible, or quite expensive!
Why is that true? If it is so easy to do and learn why should it be that way?

I mean supply and demand right?
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To clarify: Creating and performing a Stage Hypnotism show is NOT easy - it can be the most frightening, nerve-wracking and frustrating experience one can imagine and it is definately not for the 'curious' or 'mildly interested'.

Trance is not a trick (no matter what anyone says) and can't be added to your reperatory like a gimmick that you buy, master in a day or two and then fumble through in front of your family and friends. Stage hypnosis is best taken on as a serious study and a long term commitment.

Jack, supply and demand is working perfectly, but your comment reminds me of a joke:

Do you know why Divorce is so expensive? Becuase it's worth it! (my apologies to the happily-marrieds out there).

But the point still holds: Good hypnosis training remains expensive because those who pay for it see the worth in the information and training they receive. Your problem is you want secrets, not training. And you want the secrets at Walmart prices. Bad news: there are no secrets; that's because unlike most magic, hypnosis is real.

Now how much would you pay?

Finally I want to make one distinction - a lot of people will tell you that hypnosis is easy, but I think a better way to describe it is SIMPLE.

Often things that confound us turn out to be less effort, less struggle and less complicated than we expect: A proper golf swing, the classic force, misdirection, using CHI in martial arts, telling a joke properly. Once you begin to understand how to do it RIGHT, you find it takes a lot less effort than you expected. But that doesn't make it easy.

I know none of this is the news you were looking for.

Sorry to disappoint,

Peter Gross
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Peter I will agree with you to a point. I have seen some courses on the net that are such nonsense, and quite expensive. They benifit from the "buzz" going on in general.

MOST of the home study courses stink, so do the seminars!

just an opinion.
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Danny,

I hope my post didn't justify anyone who isn't qualified or doesn't have a quality product from ripping people off. My experience with hypnosis training is quite limited(Geoff Ronning's 4 day course in LV) and I felt it was worth every penny. I walked away with a lot of good information and training and have been able to turn around and start doing stage hypno shows right away; On the other hand I walked in with 20 years of stage experience (as a comedy magician) so OTHERS milege may vary.

I would warn anyone who is interested in any training to research it thoroughly and make sure the source is upstanding and trustworthy, especially when training can run upwards of a $1000 (wow when did I turn into my High School Vice Principle).

My major point was that hypnosis is a field of study not a routine that can be bought and added to a show like a magic prop. The high cost of entry does have the effect of keeping the 'mildly interested' out, which in my mind is a good thing. The less people out there with limited or bad training, the less the general public with have the chance to end up at a bad, embarassing or dangerous show, which will turn the public off to the whole idea of hypno shows.

Think what a better place the magic world would be if some of the great magic information was even more expensive or difficult to get? For example I would never have to politely watch exhuberant fans perform D'Lite for me after my shows, waiting for me to congradulate them on spending $12.50 (excuse me if my bitterness showing).
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You hit on my exact problem sorry suspectus.

Ronning SELLS his seminar as a buy and fit to your show deal!@!!!!

he brags about it being easy, he tells people how much they will make, and believe me if you were not a stage performer for 20 years you would be one of the many very BAD hypnotists he has turned loose on the world.

Just Geoff himslef, he is a HORRIBLE entertainer. He is not engaging in the least!

So he sells you the same BS thing and really I could have given you maybe 2 hours in a course and it is all you would have needed. The stage experience is the tough part you know that. Any fool can induce trance on stage this we all know. What you do with them afterwards is what makes you good.

He and others sell this pre packaged nonsense and unleash a lot of very bad entertainers on the planet. It is sad.

Now it helps me because when they are done, I can charge a LOT more. They all want to charge what I do, so with enough of them out there, I was able to really hike prices! It was cool. BUT they have no business out there and it is sad.

NOT YOU mind you. I am certian you do a fine show and with 20 years behind you, I have no problem in the world with you.

It is just that this guy and others really hit a nerve with me. If they were so great at what they do, why do they have time to give seminars. I am too busy to do seminars, and I don't brag to be the "be all and end all" like they do. They are great salesmen, and poor entertainers.
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Well at least now we both know what we are talking about...

To be honest I have never seen Geoff perform except on a copy of a single camera recording of a show in a high school gym, and to be completely honest I wasn't bowled over, but reading your post, I don't really think it matters.

My experience is that Geoff a very good teacher and he has created a worthwhile program. After studying with lots of talented people (in other disiplines), I can honestly say I would rather find someone who is good teacher than someone who is more of an expert but isn't good at teaching what he knows. The latter is a complete waste of time.

Also Danny, I have no doubt there are more entertaining, skilled and original performers out there, but how many of them are actively teaching a stage hypnosis workshop? In fact after reading a bunch of your posts (and deciding you were someone I might like to train with) I did a google search for information about you and I couldn't even find out how to get in touch with you, even to book you. For better or worse, Geoff is making himself available to those of us who are interested. In fact he is a role model of marketing, which we both know is no small part of being a successful performer.

Finally I want to remind you that we both agree on one thing: it's the hours front of an audience that make a performer better and teach a performer how to entertain a crowd. If that's really true than no teacher can give you that, in a couple of hours or a couple of days. So what choice do beginners have other than to get a certain level of skill and then hit the bricks?

Finally, I want you to know that I I never planned on being a cheerleader for Geoff. To be honest I find his 'hard sell' style very off-putting and even a bit misleading, but a lot of it comes right out of the NLP tomes, so I really can't blame him for using it. I assume most people who see it, have seen it before and realize it's a technique to engage and excite you to action.

If not, then that may become the first lesson that Geoff teaches them: Buyer Beware!

I look forward to my first opportunity to see you work, I have no doubt I will be floored.

Sincerely

Peter Gross
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I am not easily booked because I have been contracted for 2 shows a night 5 nights a week 10 months a year here in Branson Missouri.

No need for more work!! LOL

The ticket sellers sell the tickets so I have a pretty sweet deal actually.

Geoff is a GREAT salesman. NO doubt. His "do you want fries with that" style really bugs me.

He is such good salesman that it takes nothing but money to take his nonsense course. The "mentor" system where we had some sort of checks and balances is gone.

He floods the market with poor entertainers and this is a fact. Not a crime mind you a simple fact.

I know you are not cheerleading the guy, and to tell the truth I should not bash the guy. I am just disappointed that this is the way our "art" is being taught.

It is hard enough to be taken seriously as a performer period. When lots of unqualified people are set forth, it makes the job tougher. No names necessary.
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Danny,

I agree but then again is there an entertainment field you really need to pass a course for. Be it hypnotists, magicians, comics, vents or (God help me) mimes all a person has to do is say that they are and it is so. Out of 100 people who do this 98 will fail and vanish.

I see people writting all the time about this course or that course so here is my $.02:

1) YOU NEED TO TAKE A COURSE IN HYPNOTHEREPY. You need to understand what is really happening with the mind, and how important each and every word is. Not some book on tape, not a weekend seminar. You need a full course (ie. college/state approved) on hypnosis.

2) YOU NEED TO LEARN TO ENTERTAIN. This should probably be the first step as it is the hardest. I know people with MINIMUM skill who are so entertaining it doesn't matter. I know HIGHLY skilled people who will NEVER get a 2nd booking anywhere. YOu need to be entertaining.
How do you become entertaining? Stage time. Work open mic nights, video yourself, study the audience, pass out survey cards.....learn from every show you do.

This rant is going on to long, my fingers are tired
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