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gollymrscience New user 65 Posts |
We have two issues here.
One is skill and the other is safety. As others have pointed out there is really no age limit on when you might have the skills for certain effects. The safety issue is certainly important and in fact even adults can get into trouble. I often wonder if some of the TV Street Guys would be so blatent if they weren't being followed around by a film crew. Street Magic does not have to be accousting strangers at random. If you are young then tie in with a group family event where many of the people there are pre-qualified as "good". Church picnics, kids festivals, family in the park days etc. RESTRICT YOUR HOURS! Quit early while there is still a crowd even if it does mean losing some performance time. The Goons seem to increase as the day gets late and it can get lonely out there if its just you and a demanding bunch of street kids surrounding you. Believe it or not a rinky dink little table in front of you can be a great system of crowd control. People see it as a barrier and unconciously respect your space. Of course this limits your ability to just run up to folks but in the system I describe here you stake out a spot and let them come to you. Its still Street Magic. For added support if you don't want to go with Mom and Dad then get a troop of entertainers together or tie in with one that already exists. You work together and watch each other's backs. Maybe you tie in with a group that does juggling, tumbling or acrobatics or some such. You tag team through the day giving time for set-up and even just a bathroom break. One other important factor is crowd draw. People gravitate to a crowd. Get a couple of your team or some friends to drop by and watch. They will draw in more. The travelling entertainment troop is a proven system that works all over the world. As you get experiance you will learn to judge where to go to get the best action and you will develop the skill to read the crowd to pick the folks you want to entertain. Lots more but you get the idea. Good Luck PS I know it works as I was doing this kind of thing at nine. |
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Marco S. Inner circle 1017 Posts |
Next time we got 8-year-olds here telling us they do street magic. What a joke!
I cannot take those kids seriously. No matter if they are 8, 12 or 15. This is getting ridiculous. |
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Cory Gallupe Inner circle Nova Scotia, Canada 1272 Posts |
Well, if hes good, why not? In my opinion there is no age to do magic. Even professionally. You could be 5 and be a succsessful, professional, magician.
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gollymrscience New user 65 Posts |
Marco
Those of us that were in magic very young did not consider Street Magic anything unusual. Especially as some of us were part of magic acts from the time were could barely walk. Some of us might take offense to your comment. I suppose you would think the same about Michael Jackson being too young to be an internationally acclaimed singer when he was under ten and a big draw in the Jackson Five. There is no age requirement for street magic as long as they can do the effect well. In other countries I have seen kids under ten doing their own acts in the markets and even younger kids part of street magic acts. Maybe the youngsters don't go solo but their devotion and crowd draw can be astounding. |
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
Okay...this is my first (today that is) visit to this chunk of forum. Are you people talking about:
Street Magic: The gathering of a crowd then presenting an act in order to obtain tips from the audience as is done by Jim Cellini or Street Magic: The name of a TV show that confused a generation of tricksters who are basically doing strolling magic but think it is way cool to call it 'street magic' and should thank (insert favorite diety) that Blaine didn't call it "Poop Heading" cuz that is what the kids would call it then. It seems the responses are a mix of the two and combined makes no sense. Please help me understand so I know if I should go back to ignoring this chunk again. Thank you! Steve V |
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Cory Gallupe Inner circle Nova Scotia, Canada 1272 Posts |
Its just a basic street magic theme. It talks about Criss Angel, David Blaine, and what type of stuff to perform out on the streets. That wasnt a very good explanation, hopefully someone else can help you out here because I don't really come on the "Street Magic" forum much either.
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Marco S. Inner circle 1017 Posts |
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On 2006-03-10 15:34, themagicman101 wrote: Yeah sure, five years old, being a professional magician. What planet did you come from again? |
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Marco S. Inner circle 1017 Posts |
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On 2006-03-10 15:46, gollymrscience wrote: Give me a break, you never knew what the word street magic meant before you once saw a TV special with a guy named David B. So don`t talk nonsense to me. |
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
Okay...Marco is making sense. This is the "wanna see something that will transcend your mind?" section of the Café. Adios ninos.
Steve V |
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Cody Fisher Special user 884 Posts |
The only difficult thing about doing street magic at a young age is you won't always be taken seriously. I recommend if you are going to try to do some magic for adults, start off with something visual and eyecatching that will prove you know what your doing.
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gollymrscience New user 65 Posts |
Marco said: "Give me a break, you never knew what the word street magic meant before you once saw a TV special with a guy named David B. So don`t talk nonsense to me."
Marco you are a very brave guy. I know that I would not have the courage to so openly display my ignorance of a topic as you did. David did not invent Street Magic nor did he invent the name. Magicians - myself included have been doing magic in the streets since forever. Some of us did it to make a few bucks busking. Some for fun and some to make real livings. As I said Street Magic is alive and well in many countries - India for instance. Kids play a part in the acts and kids in the 10 to 14 age are commonly doing their own acts. I think Penn and Teller did a show about Indian Street Magic. Perhaps when you refer to Street Magic you refer to only those effects that you saw on a David B. Special. That my boy was David B.'s Street Magic act and certainly was not Street Magic in its entirety. This hit and run fad in street magic is but the latest permutation of something that has been around for thousands of years. If you don't know the difference then may I suggest a trip to your local Library is in order. If you find books too challenging then try the internet. Check out guys like Jeff Sheridan - you know, the guy who wrote the book called "Street Magic". I can’t put my hands on my copy but it was in printed in the late 1970’s. I had already been doing street magic by that time for several years. He was doing street magic in New York long before David ever thought of it. I have heard that he even taught David. For Gosh sakes man bring yourself up to speed on a topic before trying to pretend you know something about it! |
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Marco S. Inner circle 1017 Posts |
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On 2006-03-14 01:48, gollymrscience wrote: Hahaha. I really have to laugh at your post. When I see kids here who are eight or ten years old and tell me they do street magic, then maybe you believe this is professional magic, I don`t. Especially kids who just buy a stret magic kit on the Internet and think they can do magic. Now get off my back. Your post is a joke. |
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gollymrscience New user 65 Posts |
Marco;
I assure you my post was not meant as a joke but as a sincere discussion aimed at the original poster. Having said that, I agree that little wanna-be's running around on the street with a trick or two done badly are not Street Magicians other than by virtue of the fact that they did their trick in the street. However once again I contend that young people can do Street Magic – though your example of 8 or 10 would be likely too young to do much more than support an older magician the original poster for this thread was wanting to start at 14. If he has the skills then that’s plenty old enough to do good magic even if it isn’t “professional†(whatever that is) in your books. I’ve seen many an amateur (as in unpaid) magicians putting so called professional (as in demanding payment) to shame. At 14 there are Street Magicians in other countries supporting their families and at 14 I was doing paid shows. I know several young magicians in the 14 to 17 year old range that could hold their own doing Street Magic with no problem. Talent or lack thereof has no age boundary. |
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
You may also want to be aware that street magic isn't alive and well in India, in fact it is illegal. This chunk o' Café seems to be for the chillins who believe what Blaine did on the TV show titled "Streetmagic" is street magic. If he called it "Dipsticking" they would all run around saying "I do dipsticking!". What they do is nothing like what Jeff Sheridan, Jim Cellini, Gazzo, and others do. What they are doing is strolling magic while standing on a sidewalk. There is nothing wrong with that but hopefully they can learn the proper terminology and show the art some of the 'respect' they all run around claiming they deserve.
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gollymrscience New user 65 Posts |
Yes I am aware that Street Magic is considered a no no by powers that be. That has not stopped people from doing it though and some of them are pretty good. Actually that might be a good place for those following the School of Magical Assault to try their hit and run magic acts.
Gotta move quick before the cops show up demanding a bribe or just to beat the magician up. Now that would add another dimension to the next TV Street Magic Special. |
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
Before cops show up demanding a bribe or to beat the magician up? Where do you live?
Steve V |
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trick_icr New user 37 Posts |
Steve V, Gollymrscience,
Why do you guys constantly come on to the "Street Magic" topic list (which has always been an area discussing the "hey wanna see something" magic popularized by Blaine) and try to tell everybody here what the real definition of street magic is?? You do it on practically every topic and its getting tired. There is a seperate area for you woderful purists who know everything there is to know about doing magic on the streets. Go there, and live in harmony among the busking folk. There is no need to come here and tear people down. Why must you constatnly do this? I feel that it comes from some sort of jealousy, much like when you hear old timers speak of, "in my day- music was good, now all you hear is *** noise". Things change-stop arguing about it. Nothing you can say will change peoples perception of what street magic has become. Please stop bullying the people here-many of whom are kids just starting out. I can assure you that they have no interest in your semantics. |
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gollymrscience New user 65 Posts |
Trick_icr;
If you refer to the original post to this thread you will see that the young man asked if 14 was too young to do street magic. All of my posts to the thread were meant in SUPPORT of young magicians doing street magic and I was responding to another poster who I felt was putting them down. Street magic is a broad range of magic including the Blaine styles and by pointing out the capability of young magicians to do good magic I was actually supporting street magic by young magicians no matter what style they might choose. Please read my posts in context and if you still have a problem then PM me on it. |
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
Trick_icr,why are you picking on Golly Mrs. Cience? She didn't do anything but support the kids, no reason to hassle her.
Now you make the following statement: >>Why do you guys constantly come on to the "Street Magic" topic list (which has always been an area discussing the "hey wanna see something" magic popularized by Blaine) and try to tell everybody here what the real definition of street magic is?? You do it on practically every topic and its getting tired<< Your use of the word 'practically', which in your usage would best be defined as meaning 'almost', or nearly every topic in this section there is a comment from me trying to properly define a term that is misused. I realize that the youth of today don't feel being corrected is good but that is okay, when they get a bit older they'll find out that it is the way it goes. Back to your statement that I am making these statements on 'practically (almost) every topic...'. From what I can see there are some 30 pages of topics on this subject, looks like each page has about 30 topics. This would give us around 900 topics. I believe that I have made comments in two topics. The definition of street magic, if I recall, was made only in this one. That would mean that I've made reference to the actual definition of 'street magic' in 0.00111 of the topics. That doesn't even qualify as barely a minimum number of topics let alone your stated 'practically every topic'. You make the following statement as well: >>Why must you constatnly do this?<< Constantly would mean persistant or unchanging. In your world defining 'streetmagic' under 0.00111 of the topics during a two day period is persistant or unchanging, as you say (forgive my correction) 'constantly'? Interesting. Then we have your statement that correcting the definition will not change the 'perception' of what street magic has become. This would mean becoming aware using senses or to understand. So you believe that providing the correct usage of the term 'street magic' will effect awareness? I think it mearly will provide the proper usage, that is typically seen as a benefit. Let me ask you, do you think a 'street musician' is someone who runs up to an individual, plays a few chords, then runs off? The reason I bring this up is that your incorrect use of 'practically', 'constantly', and 'perception' leads me to a conclude that your anger over the proper use of the term 'street magic' reflects a trend in your communications. Actual meaning is of little value to you. If you want to call strolling magic street magic then by all means do so. Have fun. Steve V |
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giochi Special user 502 Posts |
Steve V,
just go back to the busking thread. Why do you keep arguing over what street magic is?? |
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