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Jimmy Y Regular user 108 Posts |
Hello,
I think Criss is cool, but I really don't like how they package the show. I watched all of Mindfreaks, but to me its more like a family re-union stunt show rather than a magic show. The show itself is entertaining nonetheless.
Nice to meet you
Jimmy |
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Stinkfist New user 65 Posts |
Criss angel is alright. his effects are killer.i'm tired of hearing my sister in-laws telling me how "hot" he is. david blaine kicks *** all around.can't wait for his next stuff.
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Jesse Reign New user 10 Posts |
He has his on style. For that, I like him.
"An Artists Canvas is only limited by the Pallete they use."
-Jesse Reign |
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ace_spade Regular user Ontario 135 Posts |
If I were to pick between criss and blaine, I would pick blaine for sure.
He is way more skilled and in my opinion more fun to watch.
"Believing is seeing"
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steve j Special user Long Island, New York 559 Posts |
As a person he is cool, his magic is good, but for the most part I do not like the kind of attention that he brings to our craft. All the stunts that he does isn't magic but that is the kind of vision he gives people when they think of magic. I just don't understand why it is necessary for Blaine and Angel to do all of these rediculous body stunts.
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doublelift Veteran user 342 Posts |
I like most of Criss's stuff but the freak show meathook stuff isn't magic! On the other hand locking yourself in a plastic box for 45 days isn't magic either.
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Marco S. Inner circle 1017 Posts |
Don`t like his performance style at all. What is all this make-up for?
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frenchmagi Loyal user 264 Posts |
I like Criss. He's bringing magic to the mainstream. But the more I think about it, the more I can understand why many magicians think he's not an asset to the magic community. A lot of his effects are staged, using stooges and camera edits, desensitizing the public to real magic. I think personally that's one of the main reasons why Blaine hasn't done another street special. If he were to, and include real close up magic, it wouldn't measure up to what you can accomplish with camera edits and stooges. The same is true for many close up workers out in the real world. How impressive is a coin disapearance compared to disapearing your whole body inside a garbage can and reappearing on the roof???
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21214 Posts |
Ralpho2 your making valid points to be sure. It has been my main critisism of him from day one with Blaine.
BUT I will say that Chris is NOT exactly bringing magic to the mainstream. His freakshow style is not exactly mainstream. He is bringing it to the forefront true, making a lot of noise, and making magic talked about to be sure! and this is a good thing in my opinion. Mainstream however he is not. Heck most people cringe when they realise that less than 40% of the country is even cable accessable. Well less than 40%. So he isn't even seen by at least 60% of this country, let alone the world. But again he is doing more than anyone right now to carry the magic torch and for this I have to thank him.!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Silvernail Regular user 128 Posts |
I like him better than blaine, however, his use of stooges and camera tricks just takes out on all the magic (for the magicians).
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vladisglad New user Los Angeles, CA 2 Posts |
First post from a newbie, hope its meaningful...
His style is alright for me, but maybe because I enjoy alt rock, but it doesn't really matter. I only recently seen some of his magic episodes and immediately it seemed way too much like "tv magic". Now I'm hardly a magician that most of you are...But I have great respect for dexterity and skill with sleigh. When I first saw Blaine's special you can tell by the way he handles props and especially cards that he's been doing it for a while and the confidence and grace makes it more magical. Angel on the otherhand doesn't seem to have mastered close up like so many other magicians have. For one example I watched where he did a card through window trick on a moving bus and just the way he held the pack of cards...like he was holding on to the deck with a boxing glove on. that's just something I have to say about what I think of him as a "magician" rather than a performer which may be a whole different story. Now I'm really new to magic and have had this hobby on and off for years so I don't really claim to know if all his magic is real but c'mon. From my limited study in magic I still have an alarm go off when I see a televised magic trick that I know would not be possible in a live enviroment. That is, I am fooled by TV magic all the time but I can still see enough to know that something very clever is behind it all. All I'm saying is that I don't understand how it's ethical to take advantage of television as much as he does (I'm willing to cut Blaine a break on his levitation). Hasn't this been this sort of a trust between TV viewers and a magician that he will present the magic as if it was to real spectators. This line is getting blurred and who knows what it will do to magic. As someone stated above - what happens when a regular joe magician is expected to pull impossible feats that Angel passes off as street magic. I heard Angel on Penn Jillette's show and he claims that everything is real. But I think he assumes that playing to the camera and usual actuals editing techniques is too different things, its not. Anyway that's just a distaste I have with Angel as a newbie. I want the general public to percieve magicians as great performers with well rehersed and executed performances and not as actors who were given some gimmicks. |
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Silvernail Regular user 128 Posts |
CRISS ANGEL RULES!!!
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bobbyk Special user Florida 683 Posts |
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On 2006-02-22 05:55, vladisglad wrote: I think you may be underestimating how laypeople feel when they see Criss Angel. I have shown many friends some of his work and I can say they are nothing short of AMAZED! I have had them call me a day or two later and comment on the effect(s) I played back for them. They aren't the least bit worried about gimmicks or how he may handle cards etc. They don't really think about that, at least from my experience. They only view it as "Magic". I think that is a good thing. Of course, some are turned off by the Darker stuff he does and some, like myself, don't fully appreciate the stunts. However, I think he deserves credit for the job he's doing. I am curious why you "give a pass" to David on the levitation, but none to Criss. I am also a big fan of David's by the way. Welcome to the Café! I believe you will find this a fun and interesting place with some great people, I sure do! Look forward to chatting with you more Best, Bobby |
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ofrmagic Loyal user 202 Posts |
I think Criss is great
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frenchmagi Loyal user 264 Posts |
What's also a little nauseating is the fact that he's such a sell-out. His newest stunt is sponsored by Heineken???
The introduction of Heineken Premium Light marks a groundbreaking moment in Heineken USA?s history and also the light beer landscape. To celebrate the arrival of this unique Luxury Light beer, Criss Angel has designed a death defying escape that will amaze and spellbound his audience. Heineken USA is inviting domestic light beer drinkers to ?succumb to smooth? with the national launch of Heineken Premium Light. The Company has commissioned Criss Angel to introduce the brand to New Yorkers and to the country with a never-before-executed stunt that will capture the ?surprisingly smooth? essence of the brand and leave audiences amazed. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21214 Posts |
Why is it every time someone gets to the point of sucess that corporate world wants to use them in a big way they are called a sellout?
The whole point of what he has done from the beginning of his career is make money. Otherwise he would never charge for a ticket. Or make it so he only breaks even. Make no mistake his whole point is to make money. GOOD FOR HIM!!! Being a sucess is NOT selling out. It is being sucessfull. Criss is what he is. And obviously that is a sucess. Don't hold that sucess against him. To me it is his most endearing quality. Are you telling me you would turn down the sponsorship deal? Come on who would? It is the point of what it is we do! Funny thing, I am no fan of Criss. I have not liked much of what he has done, but from business point of view, he is DA MAN!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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frenchmagi Loyal user 264 Posts |
I guess what bugs me is how obvious it is. He could be a little more subtle about it. What if Blaine had sold ad space on that box he was suspended in? Would you have had a problem with that? It's not so much that I blame him; I just have more respect for individuals who can say no to money, should it jeopardize the authenticity of the art.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21214 Posts |
He does more to jeopordise the authenticity of his art by using camera tricks don't you think?
All he does with sponsers is promote better and make more money. Why is making money bad and saying no to money virtuous? Seriously what is wrong with making money? Why are those of us who do it calle sell-outs. As I said I am not one of Criss's defenders, far from it, but really it is America where he is from after all. To say he is a sell out really misses the point. You have been one of his most vocal defenders, and now that he makes money, you back off. It really makes no sense. When did Criss ever say he didn't want money? Like I said the use of stooges and cameras hurts our art far more than corporate sponsors do.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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frenchmagi Loyal user 264 Posts |
Yes, I have defended him in the past. But the more I think about it, the more I've come to realize that -- like you say -- the camera tricks, edits, cast a shadow on the art. The fact that he's willing to walk around with a billboard around his neck makes me lose any respect I used to have for him. That being said, we're all trying to make a living, and I will not judge anyone's decisions to make a buck. In his case . . . I sincerely doubt he NEEDS to make a buck, and that is why I call him a sellout.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21214 Posts |
How can YOU define what another man "needs"?
ralpho2 it just is frustrating as you were quite angry with myself and others when we posted the same opinions you now aspouse. The funny thing is how do you think he got to A&E in the first place? Don't you realise this took money? Do you really think ANY of these huge mega budget magic shows can possibly survive without it? Do you think Johnny Thompson is working for free? How about Lance Burton? You gotta know these guys were paid! That takes money. How do you think he was able to DO the tricks in the first place? MONEY. I just don't know how you suddenly woke up. His opening sequence (which I don't really like, but works for him) cost a HUGE amount of money. Traveling, equipment, I mean if you want to critisize him for selling out, at least get the date right. IF he sold out, it was a LONG time ago! Like I have said from day one, he does not really pull us as far forward as we would like to think. BUT I am happy to see him make a ton of dough. Good for him. I just wish someone could explain the virtue in toiling in annanimity. Being poor has become a virtue. A famous person, who makes a lot of money, well they are a sell-out! I don't get the automatic corolation. Kind of like when U2 made it HUGE. A lot of fans said same thing. Sell outs! I always thought it was the point of music, sell as many records as possible. But apparantly NOTHING an artist hates more than to have millions of people buy their merchandise!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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