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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts |
You are a lucky man Dowser.
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts |
Quote: On 2006-01-19 13:45, Vandy Grift wrote:
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
One of the best seconds I have seen is the one handed second done by Ed Marlo and also the one handed bottom done by Ed Marlo during the Ace of Spades trick. This is also presented on the Cardician video or Ed doing the effect for Jack Pyle the punch deck pro of Chicago.
Ed Marlo used the second and the bottom deals for magic and to entertain an audience. Magicians use seconds and bottoms as part of an entertainment to get the money. Jack Pyle used the punch and seconds as entertainment to get them money and entertain an audience. I feel that the false deals can be very useful in magic.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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twistedace Inner circle philadelphia 3772 Posts |
There is a Café member here named Dorian Rhodell or Rhondell, sorry I forget the last name. I saw him doing false deals at SAM nationals and it blew me away. Best second I've ever seen.
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
The professor, marlo, erdnase, lepaul, Darwin ortiz, jason england, steve forte
these r the hotshots. |
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bblumen Special user Baltimore 987 Posts |
Frank Thompson.
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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Will Gordon Regular user Las Vegas 124 Posts |
I saw Matt Kamm do incredible seconds last night. He has gotten really good!
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Dean Noakes New user Yorkshire, UK. 93 Posts |
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On 2006-01-18 11:57, Tony Noice wrote: I understand that Martin Nash, when he second deals, has a brief no bigger than the width of the white border, which makes his deal imperceptible with a bordered deck. |
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PapaG Special user 851 Posts |
With a bordered deck, even if you've mastered a minute brief, there must be some movement of the left hand in order to make the deal truly invisible from every angle.
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Tony Noice Veteran user 342 Posts |
I totally agree with Papa G. Regardless of the size of the brief, when the second card emerges from the right side of the deck, the whole length of the right border of the top card makes it apparent that the second card is being dealt unless one can deal as fast as Francis Carlyle (and justify the speed). Otherwise, a small movement of the left hand (sort of a tiny, momentary version of necktying) is necessary. I never had the pleasure of seeing Jack McMillin's deal, but I understand he was a master of this movement that renders the sleight angle-proof. I imagine Paul Chosse would be able to verify this.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
There is a member here whose bottoms look better then my regular honest tops.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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Mr. Z Special user 818 Posts |
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On 2006-01-20 00:42, gdw wrote: You know I've seen you post on SHH! for ages now and had no idea you were a member here. Small world...
"...if you have to say you is, you ain't."--Jimmy Hoffa
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2006-01-18 23:09, Mr. Z wrote: Dealing in a casino is different than the performing conditions most magicians perform magic in. I know a lot of magicians that have done card shark expo and the idea to throw - sail the card across the table is part of their act and style of dealing. But that depends on how much room they have and where they are doing the show. Plus having worked some television in my day. Most TV directors like to go in for a tight close up shot rather that a long shot. The tighter you go with the shot the less movement of the hands - or they go out of shot of the camera. Learning to shuffle smooth and present technique neatly like you know how to handle cards is important. Speed often makes the audience feel something happened. They may not get to see it but if it is a fast move - speed creates suspicion. My thoughts are it is better to do the moves smooth rather than trying to do them fast. I feel for magicians - entertainment and pleasing the client at the event is what a magician needs to do!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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Great Domino Special user Canada 545 Posts |
What? Not a mention for Simon Lovell? He's THE man as far as falsies go. From the top, right or left, good luck finding a better finger flinger.
Dom |
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Garrett Nelson Special user 644 Posts |
Kidding, right?
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soccergod New user 72 Posts |
I don't believe I saw Walter Irving Scott in there. Although I have never seem him do them, from what people have said, he is the best.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Saw Richard Turner work today... not only is he as good as one can be but his show was a riot. As you know he is legally blind. He had two women come up and sit at the table, spread the deck out face up and asked one of them to take out toe four Kings... she was literally unable to do so because she couldn't make out the faces of the cards... the other woman was the same...
It was like 'THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND' Turner was great, funny and the whole audience was roaring with laughter.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Dean Noakes New user Yorkshire, UK. 93 Posts |
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Learning to shuffle smooth and present technique neatly like you know how to handle cards is important. Is it? I can understand this being important for, say, a gambling-moves demmer; but is showing that you know how to handle cards important for a magician. If you pick up a deck and start doing one-handed shuffles and flash Z-cuts, then this is telling the audience you have good dexterity, and they'll then know your "magic" is just pure dexterity, like juggling. Look at Lennart Green. He sometimes handles the cards in a sloppy, couldn't-care-less manner, and I think this makes him a card magician, not a card "sharp". |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2006-01-21 08:47, Dean Noakes wrote: That was one of the reasons some magicians did not like John Scarne. It is an old argument. I also feel that If you show the audience your skill - they credit you for skill even when you do easy stuff. Max Malini said something like this to Okito and Okito wrote about it in Okito on magic. To handle props neatly is part of the showmanship and the grand way magic is presented. I would not care to see a stage magician that drops props and trips over himself while presenting a stage show. Unless it was a comedy like Frank Van Hoven. The same with close up magic. Magicians do things like coin rolls, one handed cuts and shuffles, card fans as part of the over all performance. And to handle props neatly shows the audience that they booked a magician that has done their homework and perhaps has been in it for a while and perhaps worth the money that they are paying him.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
The best one I've seen is a real life professional cheat.
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