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jmcgrath
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I managed to get a look at Mnemonica a few days ago and I have to admit that I like the different types of association methods that Juan uses and I can see how these would help.

I guess that it's time to start saving again...

Thanks everyone for your help!

Regards,

John
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I wrote the number on the back of each card as well, and tackled the stack by suits. First went through the spades in order until I could recite them either way (stack number from value or value from stack number), then shuffled the spades and went through them again. Shuffle, recite, shuffle recite. Next I worked on another suit. Once I learned the second suit well enough I would add those cards to the first and shuffle-recite-shuffle-recite. Then I'd move onto a third suit, learn it, and add it to the others. Same with the fourth, obviously.

By the end of all that, I knew the spades better than the hearts better than the clubs better than the diamonds (which was the order I went in), so I still had a lot of practicing with the whole deck before I was equally comfortable with any card. Still, the method worked well for me.

Good luck!
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Singing songs and assigning tunes to the various cards has really helpded me momorize the Tamriz stack.
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On 2010-03-09 04:41, leosx1 wrote:
Singing songs and assigning tunes to the various cards has really helpded me momorize the Tamriz stack.


This is a good technique. I came up with this crazy idea myself when I was a teenager, not for memorising cards, but to help me memorise lots of facts for my O-levels. I wrote these absolutely crazy songs about the geographical data of France, the cosine, sine and hypotenuse, etc. - and it really worked! No one else has to hear those songs, so you can make them as silly as you like, without fear of the men in white coats coming for you Smile
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I found that when I used Stackview , and increased the speed of the test, mnemonics dropped off soon under pressure. I just sort of *knew* the card (it felt like being lazy or something, like sort of a "short cut" instead of going to mnemmonics and back ) . Practice and add pressure to it would be my advice.
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As a musician I was at first drawn to the musical approach of learning the Tamariz and Aronson stacks. I write my own stuff, so it seemed to be a grand idea. But, the musician in me became to conscious of whether I needed a modulation at the 13th measure or perhaps just a nice augmented 5th for a passing tone.

Soooo....

I used an ancient Greek method called The Journey instead. I created a story in which every card in the stack represented a person, place, or event. For me it worked beautifully and had the Aronson stack down cold in three days.

I love how our cognitive processes are engaged so differently from person to person Smile

Ahimsa,
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Has anyone mentioned HOW to mark the backs of cards?

I adapted Ted Lesley's approach and used a white fine-tip marker to write each card's number in the middle of the designs. The result was a flash-card deck that, once memorized, functioned as a marked deck as well.

I've also used Lesley's actual method to better effect, but the necessary material can be surprisingly hard to track down. I actually sent one to Simon Aronson himself, just as a novelty item.

mnemonically yours,

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Jim,

The marking that Tamariz uses is simply with a black sharpie and it is only used for practice. I do however like the idea of using a white marker to do it.

Logic kind of dictates though that if you are going to put a mark on a card so that you know what the card is then you should really just be putting the card on back rather than a number. Still I've never been too fond of logic!

Regards,

John
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An article on mastering the memorized deck written by Mike Close and myself will be in the June issue of MUM. Some good drills, including a great one by Mike that uses a metronome.

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Once again, today, I tried to memorize the Tamariz stack. This time, however, I used the mnemonic/peg word system taught by Harry Lorayne in his memory books. I don't know if Simon Aronson explains the same method, but I got half the stack down in an hour (I plan to work on the rest this weekend), and roughly half of what I got down now, I don't need the convert the associations for.
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Flashcards may be helpful.

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I normally use the method of turning numbers into letters (market, rooms, phone numbers, etc.). I learned that on the derren brown book, trick of the mind. But I use this on my everyday life...

When I learned Mnemonica, I didn't want to use this method because it would complicate my life, literally. so I went on the Tamariz methods...

the music and the drawings did the job for me.

But the method mentioned by Vlad its a good one, memory works on images...
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Dear John,

Lots of good ideas in this thread.

I learnt the Nicola stack many years ago and still use it. I learnt it using mnemonics. I practiced it by when driving around, I would note car numbers and then convert them into cards.

I also recite it when I'm trying to get to sleep: I usually get to the end before I nod off. I learnt it by suit, by various combinations of numbers i.e. 1 11 21 31 41 51 etc., forwards and backwards.

Eventually you will forget the assocatiions and you will instantly know which card is linked with which number and vice versa

Hope this helps. Keep on practising. The MEM Deck is an item that you need to keep constantly in your mind by regular practice.
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I found that marking the backs with a sharpie was not just useful in memorization, but was also a help in getting a lucid grip on how faro shuffles and the like affected the order of the cards.

The one thing that finally got me to cross from mnemonics to straight memorization was when I started playing my own variant of solitare using stack numbers instead of the actual faces of the cards. For some reason that helped me make the connection better than anything else I was trying at the time.
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I heard from a friend that anecdotal evidence is actually quite reliable.
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I re-learned the aronson stack with the sharpie on the back of an old pack method. First with 5, then adding in more as I was doing better.

Once I got the whole thing down (took about 3 hours one Saturday morning) I learned the stack forward and backward (so that I'm not even thinking of the numbers).

After that I found an iPhone app that I practice with daily.
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I have been using the mnemonic method and also sometimes sing the cards out to a repeating song or melody in my head. I did 5 cards at a time. I find breaking the cards into manageable chunks to begin with helped.
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The brute memorisation method works quite well to me. You can use FlashCards to help, too.
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