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theoriginalman Regular user 183 Posts |
I have Melting Point and would like to know how you guys are using it with a window. I remember reading in one on the threads that someone had figured out a way to "Melt" thru a locked car window. Could you PM me the technique. I have thought about this but just cant seem to get past one part, any help?
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ClouDsss Inner circle 1799 Posts |
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On 2006-02-24 23:10, theoriginalman wrote: If you have it, you should register to get into the private forum. There is a huge discussion on that in there. Theres no reason why you need a PM when there is a large discussion being held there. Its also hard to describe it via a PM
Think outside the box, cos people are all thinking inside now!! - ClouDsss
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The Mac Inner circle 1982 Posts |
As beautiful as a the coin thru table is - my ideal take on magnet effects is to as much as possible not use anything that's Magnetic. It give them no road to go on.
Easy Shim idea: bubblegum thru table: take a paper clip. using some wire snips just snip off the size you need. Take a stick of gum and poke the wire into it. just smooth the bubblegum over the hole the wire made in it. you can apply this to a number of effects : * shirt button thru table (with a little you can actually use presentation of pulling the button off your shirt) * guitar pick thru table * card folded in quarters -wrapped in rubberband (you can use the index swap method to conrifm it is the "same" card. * Can use the effect to explain "card thru window" saying how when you apply pressure to the card on the glass the blood coarses thru your palm in the same frquency as the glass causing the molecules of the glass to part momentarily (or some nonsense like that) * use melting point to stop a watch- after you do the effect normally..say you'll even place the watch under the glass as a test condition..and to make sure there's no TRICKERY going on. * use the same principle to do a ghost deck thru the glass.. sound good? |
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bobbyk Special user Florida 683 Posts |
MacGyver,
Nice thinking.... I live in Nashville, I can sure use that Guitar Pick Idea. Bk |
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The Mac Inner circle 1982 Posts |
You're welcome bobby!
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Platt Inner circle New York 2011 Posts |
Is this trick any good? Somebody told me the stuff doesn't really go through the table.
Sugar Rush is here! Freakishly visual magic. http://www.plattmagic.com
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
This is an excellent effect Platt. I've picked mines up at Tannen's on Friday afternoon and have played with it over the weekend. I didn't have a clear glass table/surface to practice over and I wasn't quite ready to practice in the refridgerator on the glass shelves with this cold spell of a NYC weekend. Instead I practiced over an opaque plastic board which was a 1/4 inch thick. There was very good contact on the 1/4 inch board. For half an inch or so thick surfaces I would use the tips which are available on the private forum for Melting Point. The additional props for the effect to be accomplished successfully on thicker surfaces are easily found at all magic supply shops. These props are also usefull for other effects as well. The instructional CD could have used some more professional polishing especially with the interface (or lack of interface for that matter). The props can also be used similarly to vanish objects like a Raven or for closer comparisons, the Subterfuge. The clean up would require tweaking though since the set up for performing Melting Point is only efficient for Melting Point. I'm not saying that this is a replacement for Subterfuge as there are subtleties and techniques for Subterfuge that you could learn which are not part of Melting Point. Overall this is a very nice effect which with a little intuity one could very possibly recreate some of the utilitarian uses of the Subterfuge. Please don't bash me for making that comment but let's face it, both Subterfuge and Melting Point are kind of expensive. Anyhow, smart thinking with both Melting Point and Subterfuge. Compact, easy, logical, and "multiuse" magic. 9 out of 10. One point off for the interfaceless instructional CD and the really silly Ghost Coin "bonus" effect.
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teevtee Special user 963 Posts |
>>>>Oh I have pretty good taste in furniture, I own 3 different ones and wouldn't consider them inexpensive tables by any stretch. To each is own. <<<
JFK, I never suggested you have poor taste in furniture, nor am I sure that the thickness of a glass top can really be corillated to one's taste in furniture. All I said was what is 100% the truth, I own 5 glass tables and 4 of the 5 are too thick for this trick to work on... that's it, period, end of story. I don't think that my tables are extraorinarily thick either. As I mentioend I tend to prefer contemporary furniture which often is very minimal in design. Because of this the tables I have do not have frames or edge supports aroudn the glass. this means they need to use glass thick enough to support itself. this may be one reason why my tables do not work. but I am hardly alone, just read the thread, MANY others are having the same problems I have had. Now if you carry your own glass you obviously will have no issue, but I was disapointed because I wanted to use it in a more impromtu way using tables I have around or are likely to find on location. |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
To the credit of Mariano, he did mention in the private Melting Point forum that the effect was never really intended to use on regular tables but the private forum also have tips on making it work on thicker or in some people's cases, "regular" thickness tables. These tips are quite good and keeps the handling in perfect order. The extra props are also inspectable by your average lay person (there is a 1% chance of backfiring here but the odds are still firmly with you and not against you and with the proper audience management you really do have nothing to fear), especially for this effect because the whole effect is set up in such a way that a layperson or even a magician would not be suspecting the application of this particular method.
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Al Straker Grammar Host Australia 1129 Posts |
Justifying using your own portable see-through surface is easy. Just added this to my usual coins through table last night as a finale. Very strong in this context!
Do your normal coin/s through table (opaque) and then say "lets make it easier for you to see exactly when the coin goes through" then bring out the clear surface or 'conveniently' reach for your clip board (I use a piece of picture frame glass). Cheers, Al
Al Straker
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
I think a lot of this "caution" against bringing or using your own surface is for naught because of the following:
The first thing people suspect is the surface you have just performed your miracle on. Even if it's a glass table that the spec has been sitting at all night. There's a second major logical reason why it doesn't really matter if you use your own surface or not but I can not say it due to the possibility of exposure (or further exposure in the case of all these discussions on the Café about CMS). In the end all you all need to understand is that you are giving them the perfect illusion that you have started off sparkling clean and you do actually end sparkling clean. There's very little angle issues to contend with. This is top shelf stuff people. It's good. Really good. Personally I really don't get what all the fussing is about other than wanting to do the effect on a clear glass bar table or what not impromptu which is easily remedied by an entire thread in the private forum. On top of that, if you're a walk around performer you can carry the surface around with you with no problems. A layperson would inspect the surface afterwards and find nothing, they inspect your hands, nothing, you're left clean, very clean. You would probably have to bring your own surface with you since let's face it people, it's kind of hard to find clear surfaces in the real world and most of the times you would find one would be a display case or some sort of shelf and those surfaces are certainly workable for Melting Point since they are usually not all that thick. |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
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On 2006-02-26 22:43, Al Straker wrote: And then they say "I want to see from the bottom." What do you say?
Still with the Chinese circus
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
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On 2006-02-26 21:39, Platt wrote: No Platt, it's real magic! It really goes through the table. LOL, James
Still with the Chinese circus
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
There's also yet another handling where the table thickness doesn't matter! It's called the "Violent Vanish" or something like that. That's a very good one! Taught on the private forum as well.
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Platt Inner circle New York 2011 Posts |
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On 2006-02-26 23:11, Xiqual wrote: Good to hear. If it doesn't really go through the table, what's the point?
Sugar Rush is here! Freakishly visual magic. http://www.plattmagic.com
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MarianoG Veteran user SPAIN 336 Posts |
I think the japanese salt shaker REALLY goes thru the table...
Mine it's just an illusion. Platt, I'm really curious, I think I read in another post that... Is that your picture really? or was it a piece of newspaper you found in the street? Peace! (but answer) |
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Platt Inner circle New York 2011 Posts |
The picture? That's my alter ego. I'm usually that guy in spirit. In 50 years it will be me. You can see the real me at http://www.dropshots.com/platt
Sugar Rush is here! Freakishly visual magic. http://www.plattmagic.com
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tdowell Inner circle 1050 Posts |
LOL, Platt, I actually thought that was you...LOL Always read your posts with cranky old guy voice too. Sweet.
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
I like your variation on Leaving Home Platt. Very nice.
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ClouDsss Inner circle 1799 Posts |
Wow dint know you were that young platt, your pic misled us all
cool!
Think outside the box, cos people are all thinking inside now!! - ClouDsss
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