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Eric Grossman
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I've been working on a Ring and String routine. I think that the moves can be so visual and magical, but I really don't want to deliver a play by play patter line:
Here's the ring, and here's the string, etc....
I feel like it needs a theme, a la Gypsy Thread. Do you all agree? What are some of the presentations you all use?
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Indyfan
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I've learned my ring/string technique from Jay Scott Berry's video, and he doesn't say a word. Although I don't use the fancy schmancy music he uses, I don't use any patter at all, either. I think it works well on it's own, as you say, it's very visual & magical. Perhaps patter may take away from the effect. What do others have to say.
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I asked myself a bunch of questions when I had to think of for certain moves and for my presentation. I believe in the "So what" when someone does a routine. When there is no patter for this routine, why should anyone care to watch, so what. Why is the ring coming off and on, how is it coming off, what kind of emotional attachment can the spectator get to make the memory of this experience memorable (would like to thank Doc Dixon for that line) Sure a ring comes off and on and may be amazing but so what, I could do a double lift and do a color change and get an amazing reaction.

So my advice is to think of a reason why the ring is coming off, then how the ring is coming off then try to have a move relating to those two questions. Of course having it flow into your patter.

For example
Why the ring comes off? To show how to take a ring off a rope

How is the ring coming off or on? It comes off/on when I tug/massage/toss the ring off/on the rope

Move? Discrepant Insertion

That's how I thought up my moves and presentation for ring and string.

Good luck.
Eric Grossman
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Are we really the only three Ring and String guys?
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KingStardog
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You didn't say Ellis.
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What about me? Ring and string, ropes and rings or just ropes, that's my favorite kind of magic, so count me in the mix.
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Daniel Faith
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How about coming up with a story line around "lord of the rings". Stating that it is one of the magic rings owned by the elfs. It's a very special magic ring that chooses it's owner. It cannot be kept or bound unless by it's own choosing. You demonstrate with the string and the ring continually escapes. Remove the ring several different ways. Have a dup ring for lots of variation. Finish by vanishing the ring all together. Perhaps with a raven or by your favorite method.
That will get you started.

Smile
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What kind of ring and string stuff are we refering to? When I bought both Ellis rings I gave the steel ring and shoelace set to a friend of mine.

I do a pretty simple three phase using the Ellis in the first.

1. Ellis it on. Patter about growing up on the farm and knowing all about harness rings, harness needles, leatherpunches, and all of the harness, bridles halters and saddles that we repaired ourselves.
2. Remove ring and fake knot it back on.
tell about showing the first effect to my wife and her response that it was pretty good but I should try putting a knot in the rope. Fake knot melts away with ring still jumping onto rope.
3.Talk about showing the ring jumping on and my wife saying thats pretty good but I needed to try getting the ring off after tying it on with a real knot.
A real knot is tied on ring, and rope ends are also tied together. now rope has two real knots and is shown in said condition.
ring is placed into left hand and a large safety pin is shown and put through both ropes in the center between knots.

Rope is lifted and ring has escaped knot and is laying in left hand. More Yada yada about the ropes and harness and always one horse that kept getting loose no matter what we did.
Ring is put away and rope is knoted to table with the same knot which obviously can't come loose.

Move into linking safetypins/shrinking pin.
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Gregory Wilson has a video on this topic. I have heard it is very good.
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The Wilson video is one of the best compilations of moves on the ring & string ever. Very well produced too.

I do a very direct 3 phase routine. Ring penetrates string into hand of spectator. Ring disappears in specatator's hand and appears on string. Ring disappears from string and reappears on magician's finger.

If the specator asks, "can you do it with my ring?" I'm set up with ring flight to do the instantaneous vanish from the string using the Earl Nelson method from the Greg Wilson video. BTW, this is the only time I use ring flight.

Ring & String is such a simple plot and effect it does NOT need to be burdened with rationalization to why the magic is happening. Just do it and get out. Sometimes magic just happens.
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I'm new to the ring an string and want to find out more about it? Where do I go to find moves and routines. I have a Jay Sankey video where he does a trick called "Leaving Home" it involves a key and string, where he utitizes a striking vanish to "visibly" link the two together! The illusion looks great! that sparked my interest in the ring and string. is it an effect that can be done strolling? Smile
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Ring and string routines are great and spectators love it... yes, Leaving Home is great too, so is Mr. Wilson's fantastic stuff. Smile
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I highly recommend Scott Guinn's Ring and String routine. Routines, actually. He has one which uses his own ring, and one which uses a borrowed ring. Both are in his book, Great Scott! It's More Magic!
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I second Alex! Scott is putting out a DVD too with his rope and ring routine.
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Gregory Wilson's video Ring Leader is great. He offers some good presentational tips as well as some good one liners to use when borrowing the ring.
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Please check out these two videos.

Greg Wilson's Ring Leader
Jay Scott Berry's Symphony of the Ring and Ribbon

They both have so much to learn and very neat visual moves.

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Quote:
On 2002-11-21 07:09, Guardian wrote:
How about coming up with a story line around "lord of the rings". Stating that it is one of the magic rings owned by the elves. It's a very special magic ring that chooses it's owner. It cannot be kept or bound unless by it's own choosing. You demonstrate with the string and the ring continually escapes. Remove the ring several different ways. Have a dup ring for lots of variation. Finish by vanishing the ring all together. Perhaps with a raven or by your favorite method. That will get you started.

Smile


Guardian,

What a great idea!! I had thought about doing something along a "Lord of the Ring" theme; I even found a site that sells the ring. But I never connected the dots to see the obvious. Sure, it's the genius that see the "obvious", the rest of us have to stumble into it or have it pointed out or explained to them.

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There is a nice routine and easy to learn by Eric De Camp. Sorry, I don't remember the name of the book.

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Dan LeFay
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Indeed, I bought a replica of the One Ring some time ago. It looks nice and very magical. Remember the Ring slipped of Isildur's finger when he needed it most. This seems to be a natural theme for the effect and very commercial as well.

Hey Eric, have you given up your nickname you old spacecake? Smile
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Along the lord of the rings theme.

I do a ring and rope routine and hand out the ring before hand to the ring bearer, and any time I call out for the ring bearer I have them stand up and proclaim that they are the Lord of the Rings.

It's a fun little bit; adults dig it, kids usually forget what to say so they get an assistant whose job is to ensure that the mission is carried out.

The ring and rope routine isn't that special. It's a commercial routine called full circle, it looks really magical and it kinda makes sense with the theme.
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