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LDM
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I've decided to delve into thumb tip magic. I've played with a few before, but never really tried get serious about it. Now, I want to.

What books/DVDs are good for a newbie of TTs? Also, what type of (soft or hard)/brand of TT do you recommend for me to get? I have small hands, but I've heard that "junior" thumb tips are way too small to hold things.

I appreciate any help.
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You're right about the "junior" size. TT's really don't need to fit your hand as much as they do the "load." It's easier to adjust to a too loose tip than to try and look natural as you pry one off that's too tight.

Start with a standard Vernet TT and go from there.

Penguin Magic sells a great DVD set by Gary Darwin, the "King" of TT's.
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On 2006-01-28 19:49, Dave VanVranken wrote:
It's easier to adjust to a too loose tip than to try and look natural as you pry one off that's too tight.

Gee, back in the old days the opposite was true. With a standard old style Vernet tip all you had to do was boil it in water and jam a superball into the end to adjust the size.
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I agree. I was referring to adjusting yourself to having to use an oversized tip, not adjusting the tip. The superball fix works fine, and there are even ways to make one slightly smaller (thanks to Bill Palmer), but I still say that it's easier to "make do" with a slightly loose tip than getting one stuck during a performance and trying to discreetly pry it off.

This is one of those times when bigger really is better.
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Some recommended thumb tip books:
THUMB TIP MAGIC MAGIA CON IL FALSO POLLICE
DARWIN'S 101 THUMB TIP TRICKS by GARY DARWIN
THUMB TIP SECRETS by GARY DARWIN
THUMB TIP THINKING by GARY DARWIN
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LDM,
You seeing a pattern emerge? Look for anything pertaining to TT's by Gary Darwin and you can't go wrong.

Sure, there are others who have written about it, but none with passion or the lifetime obsession that Gary has for this little piece of plastic.
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Patrick Page DVD/Video is great.
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LDM,
Try to find a copy of Steve Dusheck's book "Dusheck's Thumb Tip Magic." Aside from that, if you want some cool basics, look for the standard classic by Milbourne Christopher, "50 Tricks with a Thumbtip."
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Try Darwin Ortiz's Enclopedia of Thumbtip Magic. Three dvds. Loaded with everything about the thumbtip.
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Politically correct or not, size counts. The ones that I really like best are not the most expensive. My very favorite I got from Showbiz Services (George Schindler) years ago. They were from Hong Kong and just a little more rigid than a Vernet. My second choice comes from D. Robbins in a generic pack of 6 long and 6 normal thumb tips. (Throw the long ones away.) They are slightly belled and very easy to use with just the one hand. I've paid much more for much less.

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On 2006-01-29 15:54, jcorb wrote:
Try Darwin Ortiz's Enclopedia of Thumbtip Magic. Three dvds. Loaded with everything about the thumbtip.


Gary Darwin, not Darwin Ortiz.
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This chart might help.
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Bob, I can't believe you said "Throw the long ones away.)". Surely you could cut them down or make other gimmicks out of them.
Please throw them in my direction next time!!!

I have been using RTV-101 rubber to make my own TT moulds. I must have wasted about 12 moulds before I found the right mix and demould times.
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One note about the Dusheck book, which I bought recently: It doesn't contain anything on basic TT handling; it's a book about creative uses for TT's, most of which have been modified in some way. It's still a good book, and I'll keep hold of my copy, but it's not for beginners to this area.

Dave - I'd be very interested in your tips (er-hem) about working with a slightly large TT. A standard Vernet that I got ages ago is a reasonable fit (although the "spring" from a silk can sometimes make it alarmingly pop off!), but a soft tip, also by Vernet doesn't fit as well. An Italian tip I bought recently was a terrible fit, with a huge gap all the way around.

The chart that Jeremy shares is very revealing. Using the technique suggested to measure your thumb, mine is about 2 3/4" at the correct poing. That's a little large for a small tip, and a little small for a regular.
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Since you also asked about DVD's, I second the recommendation on Patrick Page's thumb tip DVD. I also recommend Salvano's DVD as well as Jay Scott Berry's Total Eclipse DVD (get the eclipse thumb tip gimmick as well to offer you some variations).

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http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~roy/magictalk-wi......ice.html
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If you subscribe to MUM, take a look at Cody Fisher's routine -- meant for kids and good enough for adults. February 2005, page 18. It is a mainstay for me now. It really taught me that the TT could be on fire without nary a glance, given the patter and the many things ongoing during the routine. Bonus: I get to use a rabbit without having to feed it!
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At 3:45 of Gary Darwin's Encyclopedia of TT DVD, he says his favorite TT is the one made of "v-eye-nel" (vinyl?), which is flexible and fireproof.

Does anyone know exactly what TT he is refering to?
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On 2006-02-09 12:03, lane99 wrote:
At 3:45 of Gary Darwin's Encyclopedia of TT DVD, he says his favorite TT is the one made of "v-eye-nel" (vinyl?), which is flexible and fireproof.

Does anyone know exactly what TT he is refering to?


I'd like to know that too. Searches here have revealed quite a few people recommending cheap Japanese TTs, but I would like a specific reference. Preferably one that doesn't result in paying more in postage that the cost of the TT, or from a dealer that has a $50 minimum order. I don't have a local magic shop.
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Definitaly Darwin's Encyclopedia of Thumb Tip Magic!
I just ordered the new TT from Frediup, I hope that's a good buy.
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