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I'm sure he would agree Forte is better. My problem is I can't see either of 'em doing anything! Dang them! Thank you for the answer to the production question. Odd it seemed so difficult for others to respond to. So it was image was clear and the sound good...doesn't sound like a 'blow out' but at least your response is honest. There seems one heck of a lot of people consulting with casino's.
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On 2006-02-16 23:41, mook wrote:
For the production value, I'm no Hollywood production expert, but the sound and music are good. There are motion graphics identifying the moves and showing definitions of terms that beginners might not be familiar with.


Did you miss the last sentence? Enough about that. You'll have to see it to know what you're talking about, like BAH1313 said.

Also, there aren't many REAL casino consultants. Less than a dozen known throughout the industry. There are many people who claim to consult casinos...
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On 2006-02-14 09:51, meijin wrote:

Doc you seem to know Charlie or who he is. Have you actually seen him work or do you know him by reputation only? I'd sure be interested to hear you comments on his cold deck. I think it could have been explained better as to how it would be employed.

Thanks Doc!

Michael

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On 2006-02-16 23:19, bishthemagish wrote:
Is there promo video or a demo of this Sal Piacente DVD?


This is the beginning of the DVD-
https://www.pocketacesllc.net/clip.html
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There are many people who claim to consult casinos...


And none of them have names!

So abrasive man, I think you need to relax a bit.
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Oh, hello David Malek's #1 fan. Thank you for the advice. I think you're right.
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On 2006-02-14 09:51, meijin wrote:

Doc you seem to know Charlie or who he is. Have you actually seen him work or do you know him by reputation only? I'd sure be interested to hear you comments on his cold deck. I think it could have been explained better as to how it would be employed.

Thanks Doc!

Michael



Now you are puting me on the spot here....

Ya'll want to know about retired cheats? Let me ask you a question. Who is going to pay a guy (retired cheat) at least $200,000 a year with no prior experience nor any education? Tell me how to get that job and I'll quit cheating. So on that note do you really think that he's retired?

How do an expert find a retired cheat if he's really retired and not doing anything? Duh... You only find someone if they're active and people are still talking about him. Believe what you wish but if I ever go into retirement and I will eventually when I see a sucker with money dangling out of his pocket you know that I'm going to take it (cheat him out of it).

Do I Know Him

You ask do I know Charlie. Yes and No. I know of only one white guy that can cold deck and use that device and his name is not Charlie. Have I ever met this individual? Yes and No. I have spoken to him on the phone yes but never actually met him face to face.

Is this guy good? I have to say yes. Why did his move with that device look shaky? That was not his device that he normally use. He did not want to reveal to the world what he actually use therefore he used a prototype which made his move not look so good.

Why did he do that? This guy is a real hustler and by the hustling code he is not to reveal to suckers (the world) what we really use in actual play, this is how we eat (survive) this is why he was never caught and I can vouch for that. This guy is familiar with the crew that I hang out with and yes his reputation proceeds him.

Did I see the video yet? No, so I can't comment on anything but believe me when I get the time I would love to meet up with him and get a few lessons. Did he show you his hold out outfit?

Well the Doctor still needs to go back to school and this guy is one of the teachers at the school (of Hard Knocks).


Sorry that I couldn't have been of more help but us cheats have to stick together because the magicians are telling everything they know in order to get a reputation of some sort.

Talk to ya'll later

Signed

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I must say that I find Steve V's remarks on this topic to be even more spurious than Mr. Z's
I first read about David Maleks DVD from a post on the scoundrels forum by Steve V. Steve said David was voted by the genii forum to be the next most likely Vernon / Miller type...(can this be true ?! ). Then after it's release Steve plugged it in several other posts including some where he interupted other topics ( a thread by Doc Jon on the scoundrels forum and another thread about Sal's impending offering on the Genii forum as well as this very thread ). All of this would have been forgiveable in my book (entitled to your opinion and to promote the work of your friends..etc.,etc.) except for two things which now compell this response :
1) Steve interupted a thread about Sal's DVD in the Genii Forum with the comment that only friends of Sal say good things about his work . This was highly inappropriate in light your numerous posts plugging David Maleks DVD excessively as well as your own admission that you had been in steady contact with David prior to the release of His DVD's . You may have a right to your unobjective and clearly biased opinion but your house is made of glass and you shouldn't throw stones . Mr . Z's Remark in a different thread that David Maleks DVD is the best offering in game security genre yet..."even better than Steverino's" is Excessive and telling as well...unless Steverino is the name of your local gas pump attendant who also does card tricks.
2) I would probably not have voiced any dissappointment in Mr. Maleks Product at all if I had not been prompted to purchase it from Steve V's Gushing Posts . If I had simply read the advertising or the dust jacket I would see that it doesn't promise more than it delivers. I cannot say the same for the misleading posts of some clearly Biased parties . As far as your stated suggestions and inuendo's about Sal's friends hyping his work...RIGHT BACK ATCHA !
Being in the gaming industry , I've seen lots of competition and professional jealousy in the area of game security and when it gets ugly it never is a good showing for anyone . Puffing up your own chest may be forgiveable...but is deflating the other guys really fair play ?
Moving on ...my copy is still in the mail and I can't wait to discuss the specifics as honestly as I can so as to HELP anyone else who is still making a buying decision . For those who are truly serious about the subject you will get both anyway because you make it your business to know everything you can in your field.
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Can someone give a review the DVDs?

Thanks!
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Bravo Dowser. Nicely said.
I am truly blessed to have a job where people are laughing all the time and everyone believes in magic....Come to think of it, I'm blessed to even have a job.
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You are brilliant Dowser. Difference is I gave an actual review of the item both in writing and on the magic review show on radio I do. You would have noted that the two main points I made about Maleks product was the production level and that his delivery is like an FBI guy explaining how cheats operate. The delivery being dry. I have no problem believing that Sal is more dynamic when presenting the same information. My issue was in all the nonsense put here about the dvd Sal is on is 1) The production level blows away that found on Maleks and 2) Sal teaches how to do the cheats (Malek does not). I have asked HOW the production quality blows away Maleks, it cannot because if it is shot well and clear, the editing is clean, the graphics, if any, well done, and the sound clear and steady then the production level is good. If given a scale of 1 to 4 it cannot rise above 4. Mook, or who ever it was, gave the best answer as to the production level. It is shot well and the sound is good. He also came closest to giving an actual review of the product in question. The rest is cheerleading and "oh boy this is a great DVD and I recommend it and hope to see it some day" stuff. The information I had on Maleks product came when I was going to review it. If I'm doing a review I often will ask if there will be additional volumes, the availability (exclusive to one site or in brick and morter shots etc), and perhaps questions about credits given or not given. Maleks DVD was, at that time and may still be, the best source on information on poker cheats as related to Hold'em. I have a problem with production levels, I expect them to be high. If I see a patch of blue pop up due to bad editing or if the sound is off it doesn't get a positive statement. Good detective work Dowser, you found a review I made public....you are one bright fellow.

As for Sals DVD I asked about the production level which has nothing to do with him anyway, it has to do with the people who made the dvd who is Magic Makers as they did the Monte DVD. I also stated that the production level on the Monte dvd is very high, Dowser, jog over and find my review of that and you'll note that to be true. My main problem with Sals dvd was more with the marketing of it (the monte) because in the beginning Sal mentions he is going to explain how it is done the way his father explained it to him in order to keep folks from getting taken. That is true. As a source of learning a routine around the Monte it isn't a great source, but that is how it was marketed, not by Sal, by Magic Makers. Will I go out and buy Sals DVD on poker? No, I already have access to information on how marking, glimpses, cheats, etc take place. If I had Sals I wouldn't feel the need to see what Malek put out, that wouldn't be true for those really into it then they would want every source. Now from an 'informational' stand point the monte dvd was very good. Based on the quality level of that and that Sal presents the info in an entertaining way I would think that his poker DVD is likely very good. Likely...that is because I didn't see it, much like many of those touting it seem to have not seen it. It is my hope that Sal sells thousands of them. Got it folks? I sure hope so. If any further confusion exist please feel free to let me know.

Oh, as for the consulting to Casino's I can think of ten people who do it off the top of my head. Again, amazing work on finding reviews written by a reviewer...amazing.
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As for Sals DVD I asked about the production level which has nothing to do with him anyway, it has to do with the people who made the dvd who is Magic Makers as they did the Monte DVD. Steve V


Shame on you, Steve V! You should really not spread false rumors:

MAGIC MAKERS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SAL'S POKER DVD!!! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!

This DVD is produced by a company called Pocket Aces. It doesn't take much to find out that truth and you DIDN'T even do that! Now if you want to compare production values of the Monte DVD and Sal's poker DVD- again the poker is far superior.

Get your facts straight before you rant on...
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Mr . Z's Remark in a different thread that David Maleks DVD is the best offering in game security genre yet..."even better than Steverino's" is Excessive and telling as well...unless Steverino is the name of your local gas pump attendant who also does card tricks.



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Mook, you poor misguided lad. I said that the MONTE was made by Magic Makers and made it extremely clear that I've not seen the poker dvd and was guessing that since Sal did work with MM that he may well still be doing so and since the quality was good on that dvd it would likely carry over. Since you now say it wasn't made by MM I retract my assumption that the quality is good since I've nothing to measure it by. Since you seem to be the one thinking the production level is now 'far superior' can you please define that? If you check the thread I only ask how it can 'blow away' and be 'far superior' to one of the better produced dvds. Thank you.
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the people who made the dvd who is Magic Makers as they did the Monte DVD.


Those are YOUR words and in English, most people can clearly see that YOU misguidedly and falsely stated that this was a Magic Makers production. And since you admitted that you have NOT seen both DVDs, not sure you can figure out who is misguided.

I HAVE SEEN BOTH MALEK'S AND SAL'S DVDs. You have not. You cannot offer anyone an informed opinion on what you have not seen. Those whose have also seen both are entitled to their opinions, as I am mine. It is a matter of opinion on which product is superior. I still stand by my opinion: Sal Piacente's "Poker Cheats Exposed" is the best poker DVD product that I've seen in regards to content, production, and entertainment value.

Now on a final note to you, with the Hollywood sound stage, Imax chatter, I ask you these questions:

1) Who buys a poker dvd BECAUSE it was shot on a Hollywood sound stage?
2) Who has an Imax theater in their home to appreciate the experience?
3) How many people are experts enough in audio to know the difference? I sure can't.
4) How can you tell me what the something looks like when you've never seen it yourself?

If you answered yes to #2, can I come over and experience it too?
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Moook, don't just take the part that fits your statement. I saw that you are Sals number one fan and as such your statements are obviously slanted. I understand, when I was young I idolized Hank Aaron. I now realize why you couldn't answer and if the Sal product was a post it with the rankings of hands written on it you would have praised it. You'll note I've not made a single comment as to how good or bad the dvd is nor any statement against the production level. You, in your blind devotion, may have misread what I wrote. I actually said that since the production level on monte was good I figured this one would be...not realizing (or I admit even caring) who was behind it. I asked YOU how it looked, but now I know of the rose colored glasses so I won't bother. I'm sure Sal is the greatest magician of all time, a master of his craft, a man of his time, and potentially the savior. There...go and sin no more.
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First Mr. Z : I have no problem with you sir , in fact by reading your posts in other topics I've decided that I consider you to be knowledgeable...which is why I found your comment (re: Steverino) to be suspect and excessive...such a comment was unexpected from a knowledgeable guy . If it is how you truly feel then so be it . It became worth mentioning when those who posted favourably about Sal's DVD were being referred to as "Sal's Friends" or "#1 fan" implying an unobjective bias . This was unfair and unnecessary and I simply pointed out that the pot has been known to call the kettle black . Please note that my reference to your remark was only meant to support my point and the true inspiration of my post was Steve V's remark that only Sal's friends say favourable things about his work (genii forum) .
Now Steve V. : You have admitted twice on this thread (which is discussing the merits of Sals DVD) that you have no intention of buying Sals DVD . What then is the intention of your posts if not to tear down Sal and plug David Malek . As far as finding your reviews that were "already made public" I'm not sure what your referring to...perhaps your internet radio reviews which I've never heard or read . I've presented my point based only on those remarks which I've already mentioned . However I will accept your sarcastic compliment as I am brilliant .
Was any part of your own brilliant response meant to justify pointing the finger at those who think highly of Sals work as being "only close friends" while you yourself seem to have a biased and passionate opinon of Mr. Maleks work? Is this the spirit in which you offer reviews on your internet radio show ? You mention there seems to be a lot of people with an opinion on this thread who have never seen the DVD (Sal's) ....once again : the pot and the kettle . If Mr. Maleks DVD is as valuable as you say it is I'm sure it will sell exceedingly well on it's own merit without the help of misguided friend who hijacks other threads only to Pooh-poo what they haven't seen and have no intention of seeing. I loathe to participate in these arguments but I find your tactics too compelling .
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First Mr. Z : I have no problem with you sir , in fact by reading your posts in other topics I've decided that I consider you to be knowledgeable...which is why I found your comment (re: Steverino) to be suspect and excessive...such a comment was unexpected from a knowledgeable guy . If it is how you truly feel then so be it . It became worth mentioning when those who posted favourably about Sal's DVD were being referred to as "Sal's Friends" or "#1 fan" implying an unobjective bias . This was unfair and unnecessary and I simply pointed out that the pot has been known to call the kettle black . Please note that my reference to your remark was only meant to support my point and the true inspiration of my post was Steve V's remark that only Sal's friends say favourable things about his work (genii forum) .



The GPS tapes are the standard by which everything else in the genre is compared to. On that note, in terms of content, execution, and overall quality, I strongly feel Malek's series has the potential to become the new standard--it's that good, in my view. Keep in mind that the scope of Malek's project is limited to hold em, the most popular and widespread form of poker played today. While the GPS tapes contain the best record of gaming sleight of hand ever produced, in terms of overall content, they're a bit dated, as is wont to happen with the passage of time.

I'll also say that Malek's "acknowledgements" segment is one of the classiest things I've ever seen.

Lastly, the "Steverino" comment was meant to be playful. I kinda know the guy...

Again, this isn't to take anything away from Sal's DVD. My original comments only applied to production value.
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Thanks for the link mook... Looks interesting.

As to the general talk of production values - and I feel this toward every DVD/video. Who cares? Not me.

Why? Because I like watching vintage video of magicians. And most of the past greats in magic at the time they were filmed the production quality of today did not exist. This is a point as to what I feel in today’s video but it can be applied to any video of a magician in a small market such as magic.

If the production quality is bad and the magician is good and the DVD has information that is useful to me. I like the product because I buy DVD's/video to learn and I am only looking for new information or information that is useful.

If the production quality is good and the material and the magician is bad or the subject and material not very useful I consider that not a good investment. Because no production quality can save a bad performance or a bad act or a magician that is not qualified to show the subject matter.

I do not own David's or Sal's DVD's at this time - on this subject and most likely will buy both and most likely will be happy and satisfied with both products - looks like a win - win to me.
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Mr. Bishop,
You're welcome. Great post. I have to agree with you on all counts.
Best wishes,
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