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Actually Dowser I was question the idiotic statement that the quality was so superior. I have a thing for production levels being high, I expect EVERY dvd or video to be of top quality if it made for sale. The exception being the few home made ones that were put out really to preserve someones work. A company should put out a high level product, bad sound, bad editing, not shooting material until it is right is showing a disregard for the customer. The quality statement was like someone claiming water in one persons pool is 'wetter' than in anothers. It is nonsense unless it can be defined and explained. For the last time, I never said a thing about the Sal dvd as I've not seen it, thus no comment on the content. Is someone going to actually review the freakin' thing here?
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On 2006-02-18 01:23, Steve V wrote:
I have a thing for production levels being high, I expect EVERY dvd or video to be of top quality if it made for sale.

I do not think that "Television Broadcast Quality" is needed in most magic DVD‘s and video. Production Level Quality with fancy wipes from one segment to another or flashy montages of quick 30 second clips held together by music like a rock video may for a second dazzle the eye but do NOTHING to improve content.

With magic books and printed media in magic we have lecture notes. Soft cover pamphlet books held together with staples, Comb bound books and books of high quality that cost lots of money. If the content of the printed material is good and I find it useful it would not matter to me if it was written on a cocktail napkin.

I like DVD's/video for their content not eye candy.
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Steve V, you ask for a review of Sal's DVD but already said that you have no intention of buying it. What's the point? Most people want reviews to help guide their buying preferences. Kinda like asking a friend about a movie he or she may have seen, and then deciding to do see it after you hear them out. It doesn't make much sense to say "I'm not going to watch it,or buy it, but give me a review anyway."
Pretty much an exercise in futility isn't it? Besides, it's obvious that you are more into the technical side of productions than the actual content. I bet you're one of those people that get ****ed when the Academy Awards doesn't show who won "best sound and lighting in a motion picture."
*Who cares about the actors, show me the sound board! Hey how many pixels was this shot in? Holy crap did you see that?!! There was a shadow on the wall that wasnt there before! I bet they used actual stand ins rather than CGI, what losers.
Get the point?
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Steve V, you ask for a review of Sal's DVD but already said that you have no intention of buying it. What's the point? Most people want reviews to help guide their buying preferences. Kinda like asking a friend about a movie he or she may have seen, and then deciding to do see it after you hear them out. It doesn't make much sense to say "I'm not going to watch it,or buy it, but give me a review anyway."
Pretty much an exercise in futility isn't it? Besides, it's obvious that you are more into the technical side of productions than the actual content. I bet you're one of those people that get ****ed when the Academy Awards doesn't show who won "best sound and lighting in a motion picture."
*Who cares about the actors, show me the sound board! Hey how many pixels was this shot in? Holy crap did you see that?!! There was a shadow on the wall that wasnt there before! I bet they used actual stand ins rather than CGI, what losers.
Get the point?




Oh please. That ******** rationalization is just an excuse to produce crap. By that line of logic, we could make these DVDs in the kitchen with pappy's old camcorder provided the content's good. I sure as hell ain't shelling out a nickel for it.
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I found this review of of Sal Piacente's "Poker Cheats Exposed" at http://www.blackjackforumonline.com

Subject : New Poker Cheating DVD Set by ArnoldSnyder on 02-05-2006 13:26

I recently had the opportunity to watch a couple of DVDs by Sal Piacente on cheating at poker. I've known Sal for many years. He's an old buddy of Steve Forte's and used to work in casino surveillance. He still does consulting for casinos, mostly on game protection. You may have seen him in that recent discovery channel documentary on cheating. I wrote a review of the DVDs (below) and told Sal he could post my review on his web site. I have no financial interest in this product.

"Poker Cheats Exposed" is a 2-1/2 hour, 2-DVD set. This is the best and most comprehensive exposé of card cheating methods—and specifically poker cheating methods—that I have ever seen. It is also the first video presentation of card cheating techniques that can be favorably compared to Steve Forte’s 1994 “Gambling Protection Series” videos.

The production quality is top notch and Sal’s explanations are as clear as can be. His skill at card manipulation is unsurpassed. In fact, what strikes you is the simplicity of the moves he demonstrates. Poker is a game where controlling a single card can often affect who wins a big pot. Sal shows how easily and invisibly a single card—or a small group of cards—can be controlled.

He demonstrates many ways that a player who is working in collusion with a crooked dealer pretty much has a license to steal. He also shows ways that players working alone, or with confederates at the table, can cheat without the dealer’s involvement. He explains the types of cheating moves players are most likely to encounter in private games, as well as in public poker rooms.

He shows many variations of false shuffles, deck-stacking, second dealing, covert signals, card marking techniques, mechanical devices, and the specific types of cheating you're most likely to encounter in both Texas hold’em and seven-card stud.

Many of the moves are performed by Sal, but he is also aided by “Charlie,” an anonymous poker player whose face we don’t see, but who admits to having made his living as a poker cheat for 45 years, never once having been caught.

Every serious poker player should get this DVD set. It’s scary. If you play high stakes poker, or if you ever play in private games, you’re making a big mistake if you don’t take the time to study the ways that professional poker cheats work.
You can purchase the DVDs online at http://www.pocketacesllc.net, or at the Gamblers Book Shop in Las Vegas.

[Arnold Snyder is the author of many books on casino gambling, and is the editor of Blackjack Forum Online, a web site run by professional gamblers.]
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Thank you for the review, the content sounds top notch.
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I sure as hell ain't shelling out a nickel for it.

If money is so tight , you might consider putting into practice some of the techniques available on the best resource yet available on the subject of cheating at poker ( by Sal Piacente) .
Just a thought ... better luck . : )
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Dowser, once again, you've said it all.
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Why is it every DVD review turns into an all out brawl that goes totally off topic? The DVD is great- I've seen it myself and think it's a great resource.
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On 2006-02-20 01:56, J Wessmiller wrote:
Why is it every DVD review turns into an all out brawl that goes totally off topic? The DVD is great- I've seen it myself and think it's a great resource.
be well,
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Exactly!

I hope this doesn't turn out as another Flourishes vs. XCM
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My copy finally came in the mail yesterday ...Mook are you sure these are only two and a half hours long ? It seems like I spent the whole day watching them . This 2 DVD set is by far Sals best showing yet.
The DVD's seem to address the same Market and purpose as the David Malek DVD so comparison seems inevitable, especially since the Malek DVD seems to be Sal's leading competitor in this genre up to this point . Sal's DVD is a sharp , professional and "way cool " product , The production quality is great , however I would not argue it against the production quality of the Malek DVD .
Sal's DVD's start slow and gradually become fantastic. I would say that the Poker Cheats Exposed DVD is a more complete offering than the Cheating At Hold 'EM DVD but in fairness will add that I assume David chose to forgoe techniques that are perhaps less commonly used (overhand shuffle,etc.) ... I have read here that there are other volumes of the Malek effort still to come so my assertion that Sal's is a more complete offering on the topic only holds for now and the future remains to be seen .
As far as whether this is a teaching tape or not...seems harder to answer honestly than I expected . I have already said that the stated purpose of both Malek's and Piacente's DVD's are similar , however , Sal's goes into detail with multiple showings of most techniques and a rank layman watching these DVD's with cards in hand could come away quite hazardous as an opponent at the table .Having said that , you will not learn the specific techniques that will enable you to toss seconds ,centers and bottoms etc. but in many cases (location play and some riflle shuffle techniques) Sal's explanations shown from multiple angles are all that anyone will need to learn .
There are several items that I believe have not appeared on video before and some that I believe have not appeared anywhere before and I am suprised that Mook did not mention them . I will just name a few and since I am a life student of this kind of work , I welcome any references that may contradict my assertion . As I type this I can remember at least six methods that Sal gives for the falsification of the "casino wash" . Speculation as to how this is done was the topic of a lengthy thread on this forum some time ago . Now you can see for yourself...Sal discusses how to control a single card , a small group of cards , and even the whole order of cards during a wash procedure . He even tips methods for culling cards during a fair wash . Sal's Riffle Shuffle work on these DVD's is not only excellent but the information and techniques,and level of explanation given on this topic is unprecedented .This was the second most exciting part of the DVD's for me...the most exciting part being "Charlie" which I will discuss in a moment . Although it has been correctly asserted in this thread that other references for location play exist , I believe "Location Play" is not one single technique and on this DVD there are many specific location plays that have never before been explained on video ... for example a location play from a "casino wash" . Charlies cold deck protection tip is completely new as well and this is the only DVD where you can see a real hold out table (from the collection of Steve Forte) in action with the workings exposed from the top , underneath , and even inside the table with all the mechanics displayed... WOW !
Regarding the Juice formula and it's use : This has not been described on video before and Sal gives the Straight , No Nonsense Dope on this topic . Sal also exposes counterfiet Bee cards that have recently come to light which were factory marked .There is a lot here that is unavailabe elsewhere and has never been explained before . I am a fan of Sal , but these DVD's are far better than I had hoped .
Now let's talk about "Charlie" . I don't remember how old he is reported to be but there are some times when he is just talking ( not demonstrating anything ) and just holding a deck and his hands have that slieght tremble that some older people have . I'm undecided if this was due to age or due to the nerves associated with the fact that a "non-celebrity" real life poker cheat is exposing his technique to untold amounts of people . At any rate it was no hindrance to his execution of the cold deck which must clearly have been his money technique based on his ability with it . This move was ultra smooth and had a wonderfull retention to it ... Untill Doc releases his cold Deck techniques (unlikely) this is the best available on video yet . I felt the explanation to the hold out move was choppy as did others on this thread but I think the initial demonstration ( before the explanation) serves to show how quick and deceptive this technique can be ...even with a slieght hesitation .
Sals execution of the hop is very smooth and worth seeing if you want to see how this is SUPPOSED to look , best I've seen yet - complete with well timed shade .
As far as new kinds of marking : Sal's DVD is the first to expose flex work...Very Cool !
Sal's first video bears mentioning here as well as it contains a stacking technique not revealed anywhere else called "setting up threes". I've heard a rumor that Sal' never received a dime for that video and is in no way connected to it's sale...if it is still available ,I think it was called Secrets of card cheats exposed or something like that . Unfortunately I didn't see some of the techniques from that earlier video ( setting threes for example) on these DVD's but those techniques were not specific to Hold'em or Omaha . Never the less : These DVD's have a significant amount of material not available on any other video or DVD and if you have any interest in the topic of cheating at poker (and incedently would like to see footage of a real hard core poker cheat "Charlie" ) then I can tell you that this set is a must have ...and in my opinion any honest person who watches it will be forced to agree .
Dowser
p.s. I don't see how Sal's daughter can ever get a game after this . : )
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Thanks bro! Excellent review!
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I second that!
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Dowser, nice review. I am verbally challenged when it comes to such things and I think you did the DVD justice.
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Sal's no Richard Turner, I say if you want to learn...Learn from the best
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Tradamus, hmmmm.... could be a code name for... Richard Turner??!!!
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So, Tradamus have you seen the DVD?
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So, Tradamus have you seen the DVD?


Kind of defeats the point of your previous post, doesn't it? Smile
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Does it matter
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Relax Z---- just messin about.
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