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mackmania
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Does anyone know what's necessary for this routine? I plan to buy the DVD it's on and would like to buy any props needed with it.

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mackmania

P.S. Does anyone know where I can get 20 one-inch sponge balls (Eugene Burger's routine) for a relatively cheap price?
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This is one of the best routines I've ever seen. At one point, Tommy sold all the props needed but I don't think he does anymore. What you need are 2 cups. 3 pompom type balls that barely fit in one of the cups. By this, I mean that they will not fit side by side. You need a bag with a matching pompom on the drawstring that is gaffed. This should be fairly easy to do yourself. You may need to find someone handy with a neele and yarn to make the balls like Tommy uses. Once you see the video, you'll see what I mean.

I too am looking for a good source for a load of spongeballs.
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Thanks for the reminder, I have the DVD and it is a great routine. Another great one is Carl Andrews "Table Hopping Cups and Balls" It is a 2 Cup Routine with a Spongeball finish.
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On 2006-02-05 17:55, mackmania wrote:
Does anyone know what's necessary for this routine? I plan to buy the DVD it's on and would like to buy any props needed with it....


You need two cups that you feel comfortable handling, some sewing skills, cloth, yarn, a small metal clip and lots of patience or cooperation from someone who is good at making things.

All will be explained when you see the routine and read his explanation. He is a real do-it-yourself type person.
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I made the props needed for this routine, and it is quite time-consuming to get them right... and I'm pretty experienced at making things I need. This is a project for the dedicated.

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If Michael Baker won't do them for you....
There's a Café member that makes these props.
Ron Gieseke (not sure how to spell him name).

I don't see him here anymore but he's a nice guy, and lives in No. Cal.
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That's a good tip, Frank. -- Regarding the props, mackmania, there are a couple of things you should know. First, if you plan to make these yourself, you are going to want to get Tommy's books as well (The Books of Wonder Vol 1 & 2), as they describe in detail exactly what is needed in terms of dimensions as well as materials and methods for creating the props yourself. The video is great for watching Tommy perform and to see his timing, but does not give as much info as the books. Here's something I did not know until I set out to make these props (which I still haven't gotten to yet): You need TALL cups. A cup that is as tall as it is short will probably not work. The Bazar De Magia cups would work.
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Anybody know who sells the "rope gimmick" he uses on the Pom Pom ball on the bag?
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For the bag - go to any local sewing/yarn supply shop. You can get the name of a number of women (usually) who can whip this out in no time, including the yarn cord to tie the bag (and connect the delbin rope gimmick). If it's the wrong size, they can make it again for you. What's hilarious is that these seamstresses can crank these out in practically no time whatsoever. What takes time are the yarn balls - very time consuming.
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Delben used to make good ones (too late for those), but I think there are some India imports out there now that are good enough for this. I learned the process from Jos Bema's lecture notes on that routine (and a couple others). (Many readers here won't even know what I'm talking about!)

One thing that you will soon find out when actually making the balls. As you are wrapping the yarn around and through the cardboard donuts, you have to pull the entire length through the hole every time you wrap it once around. These things take a lot more yarn than you might think, and you'll soon find that this gets real old, real fast.

The ones I made are not fluffy and loose like the pom-pom on top of a stocking hat... they are quite tight and actually feel like expensive carpet. In order to get that result, you really have to wrap a lot of yarn, especially on the bag pom-pom.

It would be possible to use other, ready-made balls for the smaller ones, but I think if someone is going to do this routine, they should live up to the demands of it. Put into it what the creator did.

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Daytona Magic has the Delben Style Rope Gimmick listed for $5.00 for 2. Anybodys guess where they are made...
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To make the balls and Pom Pom you can get a kit, at the fabric store or craft store, that has different size templates for making the balls and Pom Pom. As for the bag you can take a dress sock and use it until you're sure you'll do the routine. As a matter of fact I still use the sock. It'll take a little time to get the balls the correct size and weight, but by the time you get them right you'll be good at making them. The balls size depends on the dimensions of your cups, you'll need to adjust them accordingly, so that they stack properly (the balls not the cups). The cups I used for the routine were some cheap copper cups, I then dented the sides at the hump so that the cups wouldn't roll on an uneven table. PM me if you want to see a picture.
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I have experimented a few times on the balls. For the donut template, I’ve found that a Pringles potato chip lid is good to use.

Does anyone have any suggestions for trimming the balls perfectly round? The best I’ve been able to come up with is small curved scissors.

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You definitely need a good eye to trim them nice and round, and be sure your scissors are razor sharp. Cut away tiny bits at a time.

It's really trial and error to get the balls the proper size and maintain the firmness and texture that you want. A loose rule of thumb is that the finished product will be just slightly larger in diameter than the hole in the donut... closer to that diameter than to the diameter of the outside of the donut.

Also... when you tie off the yarn after cutting around the donut, take extra time to do it right. Nice and tight and good, secure knots.

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When he visited NY around 1978, he had a different kind of ball for that routine, it was more like a pretzel made of rope.
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On 2006-02-10 19:00, Michael Baker wrote:
You definitely need a good eye to trim them nice and round, and be sure your scissors are razor sharp. Cut away tiny bits at a time.

It's really trial and error to get the balls the proper size and maintain the firmness and texture that you want. A loose rule of thumb is that the finished product will be just slightly larger in diameter than the hole in the donut... closer to that diameter than to the diameter of the outside of the donut.

Also... when you tie off the yarn after cutting around the donut, take extra time to do it right. Nice and tight and good, secure knots.

~michael



Thanks Michael...

I was hoping for a top-secret "perfect ball" cutter. Smile

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On 2006-02-10 19:05, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
When he visited NY around 1978, he had a different kind of ball for that routine, it was more like a pretzel made of rope.


Hi Jonathan

...did they look better than the ones he uses on his DVD's?

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They reminded me of white pretzel like things. different. was over twenty years ago. lol.
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On 2006-02-10 19:05, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
When he visited NY around 1978, he had a different kind of ball for that routine, it was more like a pretzel made of rope.


I had seen Jos (Tommy) around that time as well in Las Vegas. The small balls were monkey fist or Monkey paws made from rope.
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