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Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1604 Posts |
Here it is...
What makes one great... 1) The fulfillment of a creative vision 2) Making a living doing it |
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cinemagician Inner circle Phila Metro Area 1094 Posts |
Jackscratch, curiously what books or articles of Tamariz's have you read? I'd be willing to wager that you have read none of them.
...The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity...
William Butler Yeats |
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onezero1 Regular user 178 Posts |
Innocence when telling incredible lies. Both physical and mental,both genuine and simulated.
Genuine mental innocence, by which I mean not just "beliving the coin is in my hand"but a premeditated presentation devoid of awkward pleas for self-validation and recognition. "Ok Ok Billy, you're cool alright? Now get that dove outta my face" Age(strangely enough)seems to really help develop this ability(or lose this problem) ...maybe cause the ol' folks have seen enough of life not to freak out if they drop a little fuzzy ball in front of a pretty girl. And physical innocence? That will be simulated most of the time! You can only get that through the learning and developing of body language and timing skills, (commonly called Acting)...or just wait till you are older and have more experience spinning dodgy yarns.
'though it stands to reason that a samurai should be mindful of the Way...it would seem that we are all negligent.
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leftytheclown Loyal user Illinois 255 Posts |
Henning Nelms noted in his "Magic and Showmanship, A Handbook for Cojurors", that if you want to test out dog food, you don't get a panel of people to test your product. You need a jury of dogs. Magic is first and foremost entertainment. If a magician can make a reasonable amount of money, either part time or full time, then he or she is successful at entertaining others. Although not necessarily all audiences.
If the audience prefers close-up magic, then David Copperfield or other notable illusionists will not entertain this audience. This audience is the wrong panel for this style of magic. I really like Ricky Jay, but my wife would rather see an act with animals. In short, the answers are too subjective.
Lefty (aka) Sterling Dare
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
I think that the word "Great" is a very subjective one when applied to the arts. A great song to one person is a cat being dragged backwards to another; someone's great painting is someone else's piece of trash.
A great magician...? I think that first we need to know if we are talking about magician or entertainer. I think some people tend to play up the entertainment value over magical content. A great musician will play music; a great comedian will tell jokes; a great athlete wil run fast; a great magician will be entertaining...??? No, a great magician will do magic. Whether he is entertaining is another story. If you are funny but do bad magic, you are not a good magician. Being entertaining is not a substitute for being a bad magician. "As long as you entertain them it doesn't matter." is something often heard. If you do not good magic then you are not a good magician. What % of magic to comedy does there need to be to still be a magician as opposed to a comedian who does tricks?
Creator of iconic magic that you will want to perform.
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The One Veteran user 325 Posts |
I agree with you Jon...
I've always wondered why Amazing Johnathan was in the world's greatest magic specials... A clown that does magic is not a magician.
I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end...
I came here... To tell you how this is going to begin. |
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JackScratch Inner circle 2151 Posts |
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On 2006-02-13 14:29, cinemagician wrote: Based that statement entirely on the previous quote from him, and how it was used. If it was taken out of context then the quoter may bare the brunt of my reply, if not, I stand by it 100%. Either way, assigning value by physical beauty is what I call shallow. I won't say that execution is completely unimportant, but good performance can do something with less than perfect execution, but if you don't have good performance, stay away from the audience, I don't care how gifted your execution is. No matter how beautiful she is, someone is tired of her. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2006-02-13 16:41, leftytheclown wrote: As it happens, when such an experiment was performed by those who wanted to find out what dogs prefer... it was found that dogs went for things that smell like day old fish and rotting meat. The customer for dog food is the person buying the can, so the product has to conform to the preferences not of the dog but of the person. If you want to know what people find magical, impressive, meaningful... get out there and watch them, and when you can encourage them to let you know about their beliefs, listen to what they tell you.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Dan LeFay Inner circle Holland 1371 Posts |
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On 2006-02-13 20:10, Jon Allen wrote: I just saw Mac King perform in a NY comedy club, last monday. Great comedy, absolutely magical. Magic and comedy can be balanced! Posted: Feb 18, 2006 7:43pm ---------------------------------------- Quote:
On 2006-02-13 12:00, The One wrote: So true...you must be The One. Posted: Feb 18, 2006 7:42pm ---------------------------------------- Quote:
On 2006-02-12 19:41, Hideo Kato wrote: Wow. That should be on a tile above my practice-mirror. Beautiful!
"Things need not have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths, that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot." Neil Gaiman |
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
I don't think it's any one thing, nor can it be boiled down to a pet phrase?
You could ask those you deem to be great or read about them. In my youth, my father suggested that I should find someone (in magic) to mentor me, choose a high profile magician contact them and read as much about them that I can find (both by and about them). The information age makes this very easy and quick. But, try not to bog yourself down with too much research, otherwise, you'll lose time that could be better spent practicing and honing your craft.
POOF!
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
I believe an important thing can be boiled down to a phrase. Only thing we need is to read between the words. Tenkai once said "Cards teach us". This three words phrase tells us an important thing in creating magic.
Hideo Kato |
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Marco S. Inner circle 1017 Posts |
Skill, dedication, showmanship and good performance.
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Marco S. Inner circle 1017 Posts |
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On 2006-02-12 18:14, TheTableTopTrixta wrote: I basically agree with what you say. The bottom line is this: performance is for the audience. That`s more than true. |
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JackScratch Inner circle 2151 Posts |
If bannon wouldn't use an invisible deck, that's his loss. It's an excelent effect. I avoid using it for walkaround, because it requires set up, but all effects have shortcomings on one type or another.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
I do ID all the time with a post-it note, and a sharpie. It never fails to amaze, and unlike most other card tricks it really plays big. I think ID is a valuable tool, if you first throw the instructions away. I have had people tell me they had a ID at home, but did not see it coming until the end.
HAVE FUN Al Angello
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2006-03-04 16:33, Al Angello wrote: Good application of the ultra-mental deck. ID is just one of the routines one can do with that particular gaffed deck.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Jonathan
"the ultra mental deck", there is a name for the trick I do??? I never saw any body else do it that way, I use four volunteers, and an out of order ID cards, on stage, or surrounded at a restaurant. On stage I do it with a jumbo ID bicycles deck. My version was inspired by about six different magicians that I borrowed one move from each to come up with what I thought was my invisible deck trick. lol lol lol VERY FUNNY Al Angello
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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Jaxon Inner circle Kalamazoo, Mi. 2537 Posts |
In my opinion the answer can be summed up with one word:
Personality You can take what you feel the best trick out there and put it in the hands of a performer with an unlikable personality and the trick won't be very entertaining. Yet you can give a performer with a good performing personality the trick you least like and they can entertain you with it. Just my "food for thought" on this topic. Ron Jaxon |
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JackScratch Inner circle 2151 Posts |
I think it takes more than a good personality, but I'm right there with you. A good performance takes a lot of things and a spectacular, mind altering effect is pretty low on that list.
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Zac Vee Veteran user Traveling the world with 370 Posts |
"Great Magician" is the one that got the whole package, good magic, sence of humour, , clothes and communication.
peace, love and kindness.. no terms and conditions
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