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MagicFingers Loyal user Orlando, FL 230 Posts |
I am currently practicing the Multiple Card (from the air) Production. I have never used it, so I have never really practiced it. I'm just learning it for my own amusement.
However, I am having a bear of a time trying to hold on to the top edge of the remaining cards while producing each one. Anyone got any suggestions? You should probably PM me. Thanks in advance! Julian
Julian Bond
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DerekMerdinyan Inner circle 1030 Posts |
There are multiple "Multiple Card Productions."
Could you give a better description (or the actual name) of the particular production? Derek Merdinyan |
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Sam Tabar Inner circle Austin, Texas 1050 Posts |
Can you elaborate more on the Multiple Card (from the air) Production?
"Knowledge comes from finding the answers, but understanding what the answers mean is what brings wisdom." - Anonymous
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RandyStewart Inner circle Texas (USA) 1989 Posts |
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On 2006-02-13 15:05, MagicFingers wrote: Sounds like he's trying to produce singles from a stock of back palmed cards. |
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Joey Stalin Inner circle Canada 1072 Posts |
Cardini singles?
Perfect prductions? ken brooke single production? snap productions? back p**m productions? You need to help us out here. heh
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SOHA Regular user NJ 178 Posts |
How hard is it to figure out that he's talking about single productions from back palm position?!
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DJ Trix Inner circle 1197 Posts |
SOHA,
It is pretty hard to figure that out from the information given. If it wernt I am sure the 4 people who asked him to elaborate wouldnt have. |
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SOHA Regular user NJ 178 Posts |
Simplicity
Don't complicate by thinking of the different types of productions. What is the most common production that presents the same problems to most people? That is be the first to come to mind one. Will |
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RandyStewart Inner circle Texas (USA) 1989 Posts |
Well several seem to agree what the problem may be. Since method is not the question, MagicFingers says "However, I am having a bear of a time trying to hold on to the top edge of the remaining cards while producing each one.", it seems you may benefit from strengthening those fingers combined with practice.
First, keep at it and practice a little each day. I'll practice throughout the day one day, give the hands a rest for another day, and back at it again. In addition to practicing the actual production take say, three cards and glue them together. Use that single stock of cards to practice front and back palming the batch to strengthen fingers. Also, get yourself one of those gym hand strengthening exercisers that you open and close with one hand. Its a combination of hand strength and most importantly practice doing some uncommon things with the hand. There's little need to backpalm an entire deck, but Café Member Pete Biro once mentioned he saw Juliana Chen take a new deck, break it in for a couple of minutes, and backpalm the entire thing. Don't let that discourage you as she worked with a Chinese acrobatic company before her injury that caused her to look into magic. She apparently has some pretty strong hands! |
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
In baseball they use weighted bats while in the on deck circle.
To help build strength in your hands back palm an entire deck, start with one card at a time (single vanishes), adding until you can hold no more or until the cards pop loose. You can square the cards up if they jog out of line. Remember this is only a finger exercise, so you can do it while watching the TV. We used to practice with both hands while balancing on a bongo board. My concentration wasn't on dropping cards or holding them correctly... I didn't want to fall.
POOF!
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
I would agree with Randy that strengthening the fingers will help in a big way. Kregg's suggestion in building strength is also excellent. Trying out both suggestions from Randy and Kregg can do wonders to your hands, Julian.
Having been in manipulation for 28 years I have developed different ways to increase the strength of my hands and I would like to share them with you, Julian, and everyone in this forum. In the case of card manipulation/production I do it the following way - 1) Let's say I want to produce 30 cards one at a time - then I would start off with 10 cards back palmed, produce them, back palm again, produce them - repeat the sequence many times until I feel that I can do it comfortably and confidently. Then I would add 2 cards and repeat the same sequence until I reach 30 cards (which is my goal). I would not stop there but continue the increment until it is double the target number (60 cards). So I have 2 practise sessions here - to produce 30 cards and 60 cards. I find the tremendous difference when I am able to handle 60 cards - 30 cards will not be a problem. The confidence level and technical proficiency improve in time. 2) In addition to the above practise I also use rubber bands and loop it around all four fingers - and spread/open the fingers apart many times. After many times I would again increase the rubber bands around my fingers - and each increment strengthens my fingers measurably. This exercise can be done anywhere. 3) The third practise would be the rotation of my hand in a circular movement as though you are doing the front and back palm. After that I would position my hand in the following manner - outstretched hanad and palm facing the side of the stage/performing area and fingers pointing upwards - and let it stay there for a while. In this position you will feel the tension of the muscles around the wrist area. This exercise prepares me for for the next stage. Back palming about 10 - 15 cards and then produce them (fan production) and let the hands stay still for a while and making sure that the card face is towards the audience directly. There are two reasons for these movements - (1) to make sure that every fan production the card fan is facing the audience in full view. Most beginners make the mistakes of producing the fan and have it partially facing them (because they want to view them - performing for themselves) and (2) the wrist is then ready for 'plucking the card fan from the air' slight rotation movement. This movement is then practised many times to make it second nature. The reason for the development of this personal training is actually to develop the strength of my hands and fingers. Like many who delved into card manipulation I too have the same problem - lack of strength in my hands and fingers. Hope this simple exercises I have developed for myself is useful to anyone reading my post. |
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SOHA Regular user NJ 178 Posts |
Thanks James,
Pretty interesting Post. will |
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Will: Let us just move on and aree to disagree. Thereisno reason why anyone should be getting upset with each other over what the person asked help on. The bottom line is that he asked for help and now we should be willing enough to put differences aside and offer advice and assistance. I am glad to see a lot have and that is what the Café is all about.
Part of the problem many manipulators have when starting out is the fact that you are forcing your hands into positions they are not used to being in. Just like acorbatics, you have to train the body and the muscles to get used to being in the states we need them to be in. This is the same for manipulative magic. Yopu really need to spend the time doing finger exercises and stretching the muscles in the hands and getting them flexible and used to being in the posotions needed. This builds up stamina and strength and makes moves easier later on. James talks a lot about some of these that he does and they are really worth looking into and trying. Kyle
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ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
Backpalm production:
if you want to produce more cards then take a new deck of cards and start practicing with 3 cards first, then four etc. because the cards are new they are also more stiff so you hand is learning to do hard work. later you take a prepared cards wich ore not stiff and you will see you can then take more cards. if you produce the card hold your hand still. the card is covering the corners. let go of the card and move your hand to produce another card. so your hand is coverd when holding still and moving when there is no card. |
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NickJegor Elite user Lithuania 466 Posts |
I sugest you to buy 'Jeff McBride's - Art of the Card Manipulation' or 'Jeff Sheridan's - Genius at work vol.2'
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aznviet6uy Veteran user Santa Rosa, CA 315 Posts |
Build up the musscles in your fingers by starting out small like 5 cards or so, and move on up, that way as you progress the better you will become at producing that cards. I believe your starting out with to many cards, how many cards are you actually starting out with by the way?
-Chris
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Lukas Regular user Plymouth, UK 169 Posts |
Sorry to say but it might not be the muscles I had the same problem and it might be that you are letting you index finger off of the cards. This is not supposed to happen it is just meant to slide back and keep a grip on the other cards Back Palmed when producing a single card.
Hope This Helps, Lukas Let us know how your getting on.
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
Lucas hit it right on the point too.
Besides the strength of the hand and fingers being the problem, the way the back palmed cards are gripped during the singles production is also important. The common problem experienced by many is when they slide the single card off the stack, the fingers that are gripping the stack seem to loosen enough for the stack to lose the grip during the production move. Practise, practise and more practise is the answer. The more mistakes you discover the more you would learn why things are not working for you. |
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Jeb Sherrill Inner circle Elsewhere 1161 Posts |
Yes, oddly enough, there is little that can be explained past what you probably already know. Training that index finger to stay in place is simply one of repetition and strength. The best advice I can give (other than simply practicing a lot) is to use imitation credit cards. By this I mean the thin plastic cards many people get in the mail that look like credit cards, but aren't. They are slightly thinner than regular credit cards and if you can pop off two or three singles, then you are well on your way to backpalming a deck. I still work with them and I've used it as a primary exercise for the several magicians I've trained in card manipulation. They will train that index finger like nothing else.
Sable
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Darkwing Inner circle Nashville Tn 1850 Posts |
Hey Jeb, its good to see you back at the Magic Café. It's been a while.
Darkwing |
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