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MDantes
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Anybody have any good refrences on reading people and or card counting?

It would be most helpful.

I figured yous guys would be the best to ask.

Thanks.

Jester
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Caro's book of poker tells. its the best you cant beat it
you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but never all of the people all the time.
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For card counting search the internet. there are programs you can use to help you with your counting.

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MDantes
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Any recommendations? PM if you like. Confidential.

Thanks again.

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On 2006-02-14 22:35, xjesterx wrote:
Anybody have any good refrences on reading people and or card counting?

It would be most helpful.

I figured yous guys would be the best to ask.

Thanks.

Jester


For any gambling-related books on a variety of topics, I'd do a search for the obscenely long list Jason England posted awhile back.

However, for your specific question, you can't go wrong with Read the Dealer by Steve Forte.
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Caro's stuff is a bit outdated...but still a good read.

Annie Duke has a DVD out called Advanced Texas Hold'em and in it she includes a lot of the tell reading that she has gotten from the FBI and other sources. I attended a camp/class where she taught on this about a year ago. very good stuff. I have made a lot of money playing with a lot of the stuff that Annie showed me.

Andy Bloch has co-authored a new book called The Pocket Idiot's Guide to Poker Tells. It also has some good stuff in it.

In general, go to Amazon and check out interrogation books that cover the Reid Technique and Kinesic methods. A lot will apply to reading tells.

Hope that helps.

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Caro has a DVD which is easiar to learn from, I think.

The more I learn about card counting the more I think it's usless.
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The DVD isn't that much better.

I use to count cards...but poker is much easier to make money..,
Michael

There are two groups of people that violate basic principles in any endeavor: idiots and experts. I tend to play poker with most of the idiots!

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The best thing for tells is just to look at everyone and notice what they do when they have a good hand and what they do when there bluffing. everyone that plays low limit holdem has many eazy to read tells that will basicly tell you what they have everytime.
Caros book just gets your mind thinking in that way
you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but never all of the people all the time.
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I really enjoyed Caro's book. I suggest going to a bookstore and thumbing through it, then decide whether or not to pick it up. The majority of stuff in it is definitely still revelant.

Card counting- check out Edward Thorp's Beat the Dealer.

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Mr. Wessmiller:

When I mentioned that Caro's book is a bit out dated, it has to do with all of the information that has come forward since it was originally published. Unfortunately, they didn't do much of an update since it was originally published.

When you get into Reid and Kinesic methods/techniques, you see where things like adaptors and hooding come into play on some of his old stand bys.
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There are two groups of people that violate basic principles in any endeavor: idiots and experts. I tend to play poker with most of the idiots!

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I think most of tells are just things you notice.
all the book does is give you a basic guide so that you can learn to spot you own tells when your at the table
you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but never all of the people all the time.
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Sodman12:

In a VERY simplistic look at tells, you are right. However, you have to know what you are seeing means and that is where a lot of it comes into play. You can see the guy make the bet or move all in and then lean away from the table with his hands behind his head as he waits on you to decide what to do. So what does that tell you? Knowing what it means and seeing it can be two quite different things.

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There are two groups of people that violate basic principles in any endeavor: idiots and experts. I tend to play poker with most of the idiots!

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Yeah but what if when that guy leans back it means hes bluffing when in the book it says that he has a good hand?
that's why looking for your own tells is better
you make a valid point there are plenty of times when early in a game I use the basic tells but at the end of the night you need to know each person when in a tounry the price of a misteak(heh) can be higher than one in the begining of the night
you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but never all of the people all the time.
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After you've learnt card counting, there is a program which is kinda just like a blackjack game where you just play blackjack, but it's very realistic. it also keeps ocunt with you incase you lost you're place, good for learning. however, I forget the name. does anyone know what I'm talking about? and the name of the program?
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Thank you folks. so, Caro is the one huh? I want to get as much information on these as I can. Reading people and a dead on counting system.

Again I thank you all. I am up to anything else.

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Beyond tells by james a mckenna is also good
you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but never all of the people all the time.
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