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Make no mistake about it, step onto a comedy club stage and you had better get laughs. That is really all there is to it.............

I think this is the answer that hits all the nails on the head!!

Good post Danny

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Listen to Danny hes been doin it for years and has given us VERY good adivice in the past!
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Danny, I'm not discounting that if your in a comedy club you better get laughs. but the audience has to respond. kind of like what suspectacts was getting at. there is a lot of adversity you face with mixing the 2 mediums of entertainment. as for being a hack, what I was trying to say is that your tricks are going to seem similar to others tricks especially when doing it in a comedy act and there is a possibility of being seen as a comedy hack. things really start to look alike. in the cleveland area, props onstage don't go over well from what ive encountered. one club owner in my area even said (paraphrasing) being a one man variety show, no matter how funny you are, doesn't make you a comic and has no place on my stage. I personally don't agree with that, but there are quite a few club owners who feel that way. I wasn't saying there is no way for it to work, it's just a lot harder than just being a comedian, or just being a magician.

I personally inject a lot of humor in my magic, but to put magic in a comedy act is a completely different animal.
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The point really is you have 2 crafts. THIS is what most miss.

You had better be a great comic if you want to headline. Your magic is secondary.

LAUGHS. I bet you 10 grand that if you sold 1 more drink doing prop magic than his straight comics top total of drinks he would have you back and that is really the truth.

We have discovered what most club owners are, we are simply negotiationg a price.

Club owners are what they are and many are set in their ways this is true, but their ways include simply trying to make money. THIS is the bottom line.

In a way all comics seem similar. THEY ARE!!!! think of it. Familarity is what people want. Why is it that the format has been arround for so long>? It is comfortable.

A lot of guys fall back on the "no prop" bias many club owners have and look at it as a bad thing. I always thought it was a good thing. seriously. That mean that there was less competition for the spots from other magicians and hypnotists.

Think of it. If your the only guy funny enough to do the gig for the owner, then man you got a certian gig 2 or 3 times a year. WOW great news that is. But you gotta be funny enough to get it done.

I have run into this bias in a lot of places. Even the "too many prop guys on my roster" problem. No problem just give me the one chance and boom I am in. I ended up doing the private parties for many of the club owners who originally had this "bias" you speak of.

Yea they were biased against it and it had no place on their stage, BUT when somene called up for a private corporate gig and needed a magician and not a comic guess who got the call? Yep me. This happened a lot. he wanted the money from the comission more than he wanted to be biased against me. (we know what they are we are simply negotiating a price)

So again please just be funny, the rest will work itself out.
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All the wonderful dialogue reminds me of which came first 'The chicken or the egg'. The essence from all this remains what you create is what your act becomes.
I have always drawn a bullseye around where I place the arrow! This meaning becomming self authentic and follow your own creative genuis. We all can learn how to write and print;however we create our own signature.
As you gain experience your own style will emerge. Good luck...

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Danny has a great point. I've been doing comedy clubs for a long time, and I know that magic DOES work. I mean obviously I don't perform it the same as I do in a corporate situation, but it works good. If your'e funny. You have to be funnier in a club than you do in the corporate world. Why? Owners look at the laughs per minute.
As far as people saying the props are an issue. People have you really been to clubs? There are thousands of prop comics, i.e. Carrot Top. The owner doesn't care how you do it, he just cares if the people are roaring in laughter. If you can do that with a guitar, a bag of props, a suitcase of tricks, a keyboard, whatever. It doesn't matter. I've seen Ferrantino do a snowstorm in a club and that's pretty proppy. Just be funny, and when I say that, be extremely funny. That's what clubs are about.
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