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This is the last and only time I'm gonna post about Blaine. Just one question: Why do we talk about him here? You hate to say, so don't!

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I think it might be because he doesn't do street magic, in the sense that magicians use the term.

I have nothing against Blaine at all, and respect his presentational style quite a bit. However, "street magic" has implied a genre of magic for quite a long time, and very few of the effects Blaine performs would qualify, and few would be appropriate for a real street magic act. What Blaine does is close-up strolling magic for people (and a TV camera) who happen to be on the street.

I think most people in this area of the forum do actual street magic, so Blaine's stuff just isn't that relevent to them.
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Perhaps there is a little animosity aimed towards Blaine, especially since he brought close up magic into the limelight and public's eye again. The tricks he performed on his first 2 TV specials, in terms of skill, weren't that impressive. Obviously, for laymen he killed, but for other magicians who have spent countless hours of their lives practicing and mastering sleights, they may feel cheated.

I personally think the guy's presentation is great, but the problem with his style is that it's going to create a whole new wave of wannabe "street magicians" that will make you feel uncomfortable by staring at you for unwanted periods of time. Smile
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Why would any magician feel "cheated" by Blaine? I have read more posts than I can count that say, "It's not about the trick, it's about the effect," or, "Keep it simple."

This is good advice, so why would anyone think bad of Blaine because he's done just that?
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Hi I am new to this Café, I wonder if any body here can help me.

It seems you all don't like to use the word "Blaine." ( Just a joke! ) But I was watching 'Vertigo' and I personally don't think that standing on a pillar for 36 hours and freezing themselves quite qualifies as magic. Am I right?

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SaL0m0n,

I respect David Blaine as a performer and a magician. There was no trickery involved in Vertigo or Frozen in Time. David Blaine was really standing up on top of that pillar for a day and a half and jumped into a pile of cardboard boxes, no extra padding under the boxes, nothing. There really was a lot of risk involved in that. He could have broken his neck.
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I agree with Salomon. The endurance parts of his shows haven't been qualified in my mind as magic. But who knows, we could be looking at the start of a whole new concept in magic.
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I think it's widely agreed upon that he does use trickery. Hence, the Frozen in Ice thing was revealed on Fox. How he did the vertigo one is beyond me...it's impressive. Personally, I love the guy. I think he's done great things for magic. Of course I wouldn't call him a street magician. Nor an illusionist. He's got his own style that is hard to classify. Part Street magic, part close up magic, part illusionist, part actor. He's great!

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Oh yea, he's great He does the best cigarette through coin I've seen. You want to know who's great...Gary Kurtz is great!. Blaine isn't even close. Everyone talks about his great presentation. WHAT?
He does his trick and the camera goes to the audience right away. The audience is what's entertaining, not Blaine He uses the camera to create effects and then says he doesn't use camera tricks. Come on. He's not great. He's smart but not great.

And come on....the Frozen in Time. Ever hear of Eskimos? They live in an ice cube the entirety of their lives! Wow, he can stand on a pole for a day or 2. I could too for a million dollars. He's average at best. Come on, Blaine, show me something. The reason I started this thread was because I was wondering why so many people talk about him on this page that's devoted to street performing. PLEASE!!!!! don't respond to this. Respond to this on a page devoted to TV performers.

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How many of us here have brought magic to the forefront in such a monumentous way??? Whatever your feelings on his talents (and let's be honest ,we can't really judge this from a few TV specials), you can at least give him credit for opening new doors to magic that were quickly becoming closed. Kids think magic is cool again - what's better than that?
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Which door? Which door has been opened for you?

I like Blaine, but this is a street magic page. Why do you guys spend so much time talking about him? What is there to be learned? Nothing. Not one thing.

The truth is, most magi that really like him are new guys, guys who have not seen the greats work. That's the truth. He has that appeal to young magicians around the world. Hey, I like what he does, but I don't know why we spend so much time talking about him. That's why this is really my last post about this guy.
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Yes, tedb, I have heard of these things you call "Eskimos". But you fail to see the fact that they wear big warm coats and have plenty of food and water. Blaine didn't! You try standing in your freezer in the same spot for three days without any food or drink, and tell me how easy it is. If you really want to, you could also jump off an 80 foot tower into a pile of cardboard boxes and tell me how it goes. Oh! And please don't tell me you take all of the stuff they "reveal" on Fox for real.
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Tedb - it has nothing to do with how you or I might feel about Blaine, it is the effect he has produced in the public. You'd be lying to yourself to deny the fact that he has at least helped to rekindle an interest in magic - and while he may not be a street magician himself, this will inevitably make people more like to stop when they see magic being performed in the street. I don't think he is a particularly great magician, but he has proven to be a great advertiser. Perhaps this is the wrong forum, because bitterness like that does not belong in magic.
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On 2002-12-05 10:52, tedb wrote:
What is there to be learned? Nothing. Not one thing.


I'd disagree with that statement and refer you to Kenton Knepper's article in online-visions: http://www.online-visions.com/krystal/0306kenton.html
Mr. Knepper is not only someone who has seen the "greats at work" but is generally regarded as one of the greats himself.

Sometimes it may be very subtle but I would say there is something to be learnt from EVERY magician's performance.
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Well, obviously I'm one of the new wave of magicians spawned by Blaine. I'm not trying to BE Blaine, but he did inspire me to actually pursue "real" magic. I think that the real problem is that those of us who weren't around before him, don't have a clear picture of what street performing is. I at least have *some* clue, since I used to be in a street juggling show. Unfortunately I don't know what sort of things REAL street magicians do. Anyone care to enlighten me? I thirst for knowledge. Pour me a drink or point me in the direction of the bar.
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On 2002-12-04 22:42, tedb wrote:
And come on....the Frozen in Time. Ever hear of Eskimos? They live in an ice cube the entirety of their lives! Wow, he can stand on a pole for a day or 2. I could too for a million dollars. He's average at best.


An Igloo is NOT a block of ice. It is specially designed to hold heat and they are actually sometimes uncomfortably warm. I think his Frozen In Ice works on the same principle actually.
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Street magicians started back in the ancient India setting. There were two types..jadoo-wallahs (prepared trickery and cups and balls, you know...) Then there were fakirs (religious Hindu performers that spent a long time learning how to breathe, eat, and walk on fire, walk up ladders made of swords, pierce their bodies, stick their hands in boiling oil, etc.).
Basically, David Blaine is a kind of combination of both. He's brought back the art of "real" street magic. The stuff you see now anyone can learn in a book store or online, but what Blaine has done is trained his body with discipline to do things that are impossible. And I doubt any one else can follow what he does. To me he's a true magician and has brought back a whole new audience for others. But then again, this is 2002. Everyone has replaced magic with rational thinking. Smile
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Very true! Smile
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