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deg
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Without Blaine I wouldn't even be doing magic now, he is the one who got me interested..
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Same here David Blaine got me back into the swing of things.
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I feel most people are jealous of what he has obtained,,,keep working at your art for every dog has his day. Smile
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Everyone talks about his great presentation. WHAT?
He does his trick and the camera goes to the audience right away. The audience is what's entertaining, not Blaine


That's right! The audience is what's entertaining. THAT'S what to learn. That's always the case, but many, maybe most magicians forget that fact.
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Without Blain i wouldnt have seen the bent card finalie in the ambitious card routine. I thought the reactions on tv were exagorated on purpose but after many preformances of this effect i see that the people are truely shocked. They jump back, gasp and walk away shaking their heads in disbelief. ITS GREAT Smile
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personally i think in terms of TV magic, it had been dominated by DC over the past 15 years. people are amazed by what DC did on tv, wishing they could be the next DC.but it was nearly impossible as big stage illusions cost a bomb to stage & many complicated issues have to be taken care of.

but this is not so now as blaine showed that it is possible to get attention and become famous in magic with some simple & cheap magic ticks, compared to a stage illusion. this is one of the reasons why blaine 'got' many pp into magic.

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David Blaine is the antithesis of what I recognize as the virtues of a professional magician. His flat affect and Valiumized personality are an embarrasment to our profession. Using camera tricks on TV and being stupid enough to advertise in Variety for actors who will play the part of amazed spectators tells me this guy doesn't care he is hurting the image of magic. Layman who watch his performances are confused. "He's in this ice block right. Isn't ice a great insulator like in igloos. What's supposed to be amazing about standing in an igloo like an Eskimo" they say. My wife who loves watching magic is repulsed by this guy. DB should takes some lessons from Greg Wilson or Aldo Colombini, and get a personality. I know there are DB lovers and worshippers out there and probably nothing I say will change your mind about your hero- but you really should emulate someone with showmanship and class and not a guy who ambushes you on the street shoving his latest trick in your face.
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On 2002-12-13 20:33, The Original Countelmsley wrote:
David Blaine is the antithesis of what I recognize as the virtues of a professional magician. His flat affect and Valiumized personality are an embarrasment to our profession. you really should emulate someone with showmanship and class and not a guy who ambushes you on the street shoving his latest trick in your face.
I agree his camera tricky is none the less degrading. He has no personaliy which I will also agree with, but that's the reason his magic is so effective because it gives you a strong erie vibe. Magicians were not always cheery fellows. Look at houdini, he scared his audience to the point people were gasping and falling out of their chairs. Everyone thought he was dying in his water cell when really he was reading a newspaper proking his audience to the extreme. Different illusions take different types of showmenship. It's all about controling the audience how you want to. That's what makes the difference between great magic and spectacular magic. Smile
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Max Maven is not exactly a cheery fellow but can create a character that is mystical, entertaining, and polished. DB is a celebrity. He's famous for being famous. He is skillful ar self promotion and being "mysterious."
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"I was watching 'Vertigo' and I personally don't think that standing on a pillar for 36 hours and freezing themselves quite qualifies as magic. Am I right?"


Maybe Blaine is trying to push the limits as did Houdini in his escapes and routines. I know it may not seem entertaining but if you look at FEAR FACTOR and 'on the edge' type of shows--maybe he is playing to that type of audience.
As for the "STREET MAGIC"--I can understand why some magicians might be frustrated if those card tricks and slights are easy and you guys have been doing them for years. Look at Blaine (very young--almost 30) and he's more famous than most magicians...why wouldn't there be a tension there.
Anyway--My opinion is he's developed some kind of persona (with how he talks very low etc) and people buy it.
I bought his book just to see what the heck he was about.
I'm happy he's made money on his tricks from the history he's had in the past, a tough life (yeah but who hasn't)...anyway, it's nice for some people to suceed--even though I too think those freezing block and vertigo tricks are corny.

Ellen

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PS) I also AGREE he has gotten the magic interest up for people everywhere.
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The way I see it, when Blaine was performing Vertigo, and his other stunts, he wasn't trying to do magic. He never claimed to be doing magic.

His magic is face to face with his spectators, and not 50 feet in the air.

I also don't see why a lot of people are against him because of what he does. He may have had success because he was in the right place at the right time, and personally, I can't say that I wouldn't do the same thing.

If you don't like him, thats fine, but don't disagree with him because he doesn't do the exact same things the way you do them.
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David Blaine has caused the general public to become interested in magic again. No publicity is bad publicity. Here in the UK a Double Glazing Company (windows) was slated by a consumer program and all of the major newspapers. The result was more public awareness of the company and the salesmen then had an 'in' to present their products. They tripled their profits that year and I am talking millions !

Regards Nitram. London UK Smile
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I have mixed feelings about DB. He has brought magic back into the public eye. Kudos for him. However, standing on a pole is not magic, it's endurance, standing in ice is not magic, again it's endurance.

I do not like that he makes use of camera editing and flat out lies about it. When he did Balducci's levitation, all you saw was the end result and various clips of audience reaction. You did not see how many times it had to be performed to get the angles just right and how many times he accidentally messed up on the street with it.

Someone also said that if not for Blaine they never would have seen the folded card routine for ambitious card. Where are you guys learning tricks from? That has been around for ages. Go read the ambitious card post in the pick a card forum. They cite several references where this can be seen and learned.

The only thing I really don't like is when I say, "I'm a magician," and someone says, "Oh, like DB?" Or I'm in the middle of a trick and someone says, "Do (insert DB trick here) that David Blaine does."

Anyway, he has put magic back in the limelight. Kudos to him. And as for you young guys, it's ok to worship Blaine, but please check around and look into some of the other "magic masters" out there. Let's not forget where we come from.

Vinnie
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Just to put in my $.02...

DB was one of the catalysts to get me back into magic a couple years ago. It rekindled me working on the tried and true effects that have been around forever - ambitious card, 2 card monte, cigarette thru quarter, invisible deck etc.

But you know what? I don't really do any of those anymore for a couple of reasons. There are a lot of DB teenage clones out there and I'm glad to see them interested in the art, but hopefully they'll move on. Also, there's so much more today that I wasn't exposed to the first time around in my younger days, I'm enjoying going beyond the "simple" store-bought effects and basic sleights.

For those who are making a living at it, I can't fault them for sticking to a performance that gets results for lay audiences (i.e. Wow - that guy's as good as David Blaine...). To pre-empt potential backlash of some of the working pros out there, I think everyone adds their personal touch in terms of creativity and style, but you can't deny that DB has had an influence on popularizing magic in recent years.

To end my meandering thoughts on DB:

Smile for creating more interest in magic

Smile for the stupid stuff - camera tricks, exposing staged spectators, etc.

Happy Holidays!
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First of all, I love the fact that in a message list that specifically said not to talk about DB, that is all we are doing.

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The thing about DB is that his lack of personality -IS- his personality. It's the slacker, hate-the-man, anti-establishment personality that is so popular today. It's like he is thumbing his nose to the ruffled shirt, tuxedo wearing guy on the stage that just did the dove pan trick for the 9 millionth time, which is why he has gotten so popular lately.

Yes, the tricks he pulls off can be purchased at a hundred different websites (some of them even conveniently package them into "street performer" kits) but remember that presentation is everything. Right now, he's doing something that people have never seen a magician do: not be a stereotypical magician.
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On 2002-12-18 17:16, vinnie72 wrote:
I have mixed feelings about DB. He has brought magic back into the public eye. Kudos for him. However, standing on a pole is not magic, it's endurance, standing in ice is not magic, again it's endurance.

I do not like that he makes use of camera editing and flat out lies about it. When he did Balducci's levitation, all you saw was the end result and various clips of audience reaction. You did not see how many times it had to be performed to get the angles just right and how many times he accidentally messed up on the street with it.
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Well, first of all, like I said in my previous post, David Blaine never claimed to be doing magic with stunts such as Vertigo.

Second of all, you talk about how David lies, right? What magician doesn't lie? If we were honest to everybody, we wouldn't be doing half of what we do now.

Personally, I am a bigger fan of Criss Angel myself. However, if somebody says "Oh, you're a magician like David Blaine?" I don't take offense at all. That is kind of like somebody comparing you to David Copperfield. These are both magicians that the laymen RESPECT, and KNOW, and so they compare you.

I am happy that David Blaine has brought magic back to the world, and he has done so in a unique way. He didn't do big stage illusions, or anything where you have to pay a lot of money to sit at a close up table of magic. Instead, he performs his magic face to face with the people around the world.

Think about it.
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Khopri said it best! DB is not a stereotypical Magician. He hit a chord with this X-Generation (myself included).
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If you were to perform the exact same "effect" that Blaine performs but present it in a better way, people will say to you, "you are better than Blaine."

I am told every day that I am better than Blaine.

I love that -- Thanks David Blaine.

All of you magicians will say that it is not the "secret" but the "presentation." It is true. David fools people with a poor presentation and that gives you room to "be better" than him.

You gotta love that! Smile
~Rob
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