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I never expected that a sport could simply be freely named. Somehow, someway, there MUST be some sort of force.
magic adds can be worded very cleverly so....
What would you expect the add should have said?
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On 2009-12-29 08:32, meilechl wrote:
I shouldn't have to reuse the method. If I buy a trick I expect it to work for all ages and classes. If it
only works for specific audiences it
should say so in the description.


The creator of a trick is not supposed to know what ages and classes you are capable of working a trick for. I use the pom pom stick on ALL ages and classes. I use the bill to lemon on ALL ages and classes I perform mind reading for kids.

Maybe the goevernment should step in and mandate a "trick warning" on the package. "this trick only works for XXXX age groups and ZZZZ classes of sophisticated people. WILL NOT WORK ON CHILDREN, TEENS or WHILE DRIVING!"

Like that?

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If a method requires that a decent percentage of the audience play a certain sport it's not too hard to work out that the trick won't work for a kids show etc. If that is the case there should be some notice of that in the description.

What exactly? I don't know...maybe something along the lines of: This trick cannot be performed as described with all types of audiences, i.e. children (or working class etc.).

Imagine that you bought a trick which is described as predicting any word called out by a spectator, only when you buy the trick you see that it only works with chinese words. Wouldn't you feel that there should be some indication of that in the description?

When I buy a trick I expect to be able to perform it exactly as described to any kind of audience.
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On 2009-12-30 20:25, meilechl wrote:
If a method requires that a decent percentage of the audience play a certain sport it's not too hard to work out that the trick won't work for a kids show etc. If that is the case there should be some notice of that in the description.

What exactly? I don't know...maybe something along the lines of: This trick cannot be performed as described with all types of audiences, i.e. children (or working class etc.).

Imagine that you bought a trick which is described as predicting any word called out by a spectator, only when you buy the trick you see that it only works with chinese words. Wouldn't you feel that there should be some indication of that in the description?

When I buy a trick I expect to be able to perform it exactly as described to any kind of audience.


Do you really think that a spec can call out ANY word and you will have it without any secret stuff?


Your job is to KNOW what the secret stuff could possibly be then ask the creator is there's any NW, PW or some type of W stuff.

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All predictions use either or both of the following methods:
a. Forcing the selection
b. Switching (or altering) the prediction

Each one comes with its own restrictions. If a trick description doesn't state which method is used how do I do I know an what way it's restricted?

To use Weather or Not as an example, how is a children's performer to know that this trick will not work for him in the manner described?
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On 2009-12-30 20:42, meilechl wrote:
All predictions use either or both of the following methods:
a. Forcing the selection
b. Switching (or altering) the prediction

Each one comes with its own restrictions. If a trick description doesn't state which method is used how do I do I know an what way it's restricted?

To use Weather or Not as an example, how is a children's performer to know that this trick will not work for him in the manner described?


Oh for gosh sakes, Meilechl. Didn't you already get the answers to your questions by getting on the Web and researching this? What's the beef?

A trick description can't possibly address every single permutation of performance mode/place. So reasonable people ask friends, brick and mortar store owners, Internet store workers, and Web forum members, just as you did.

It's been said at TMC and other forums over and over: If you don't like what you're hearing about a trick, just move on to one of the other 150,000 tricks out there. Why fight it?

I still like this trick for the venue in which I perform. If I didn't, I'd just find another one!

Again, what's the beef?

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When I buy a trick I expect to be able to perform it exactly as described to any kind of audience.




Did you really mean this? Surely not...

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Steve,
True that.....
Devin has been a huge help to me.
He has "forced" me to improve
I do agree with all the comments above.
What I can honestly tell you is I was hoping the sport would be baseball per the add...
It was NOT but that's ok Smile
I am sure many of us have bought an effect then realized it was not for us and resold it for one reason or another.
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JS:

Good post. I see your point. For all the bad points of the Internet (and sometimes forums), one of the best things is that if one is willing to wait and investigate, he can get a darned good idea about the appropriateness and real-world validity of a trick/routine. Web forums also are a means to make friends who provide a source of feedback.

I know that just as I've decided to NOT buy a trick after reading the discussions, I've also been prompted to buy things I hadn't previously considered. Since I've already got the equivalent of a small magic shop's inventory, these days it's a lot easier (well, usually) to be patient about buying things. There is a tremendous value to these TMC discussions (though exposing methods in either open or cleverly worded ways makes me sick.)

But even after all of those events/investigations/research/discussions/reading, it's still possible to wind up with something one won't be able to use. Still, for me, there is an element of pleasure in the search to find those nuggets of gold, maybe even "the holy grail"!

At the same time, I'm categorically unable to understand or agree with the statement "I expect to be able to perform [a trick] exactly as described to any kind of audience." (I've got a feeling meilechl didn't actually mean that.)

And I do get tired of some of the "beating a dead horse" that goes on in discussions.......you know.........like I'm doing right now...

Over and out....

Steve
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On 2010-01-01 17:57, Steve Hook wrote:
1. For all the bad points of the Internet (and sometimes forums), one of the best things is that if one is willing to wait and investigate, he can get a darned good idea about the appropriateness and real-world validity of a trick/routine....

2. At the same time, I'm categorically unable to understand or agree with the statement "I expect to be able to perform [a trick] exactly as described to any kind of audience." (I've got a feeling meilechl didn't actually mean that.)


1. I wrote my original post on this topic precisely for this purpose - to warn others who might not realise that this routine is inappropriate for them.

2. I have been racing my brain and I can't think of a single other trick for which I would have to vary the METHOD according to the audience. I might sometimes have to play about with the presentation but never with the method.

I, for one, am getting tired with people selling routines without describing exactly what the effect is - all the time. It seems to me that those tricks that are truly good don't need to be misrepresnted. Clever wordplay is only used to cover up shoddy routines.
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I am going to actually rerecord the audio in my own voice as a prediction. I do not like the voice on the CD. It is very distorted, and the girls is talking too fast, and is too close to the microphone. I also feel that the description was misleading. I'm not sure if I am going to use this.

I also have this strange feeling that someone other than the manufacture made my props. It was all very cheaply tossed in a box with a $0.99 "poncho." There was really no packaging, just a bunch of props tossed in the box it was shipped in - with some newspaper. The instructions have been copied so many times that I can barley read them. I think I'm going to buy a real "raincoat", use bigger bags, and re-record the audio message. I bought it from Hocus-Pocus though.

I am disappointed. For $69 I was expecting a little more. I think this routine might ruin my reputation...

This is all just my opinion though. Please don't take any of this offensive. Some of you may love the routine - I however, do not.
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On 2010-01-08 23:59, armagician wrote:
I am going to actually rerecord the audio in my own voice as a prediction. I do not like the voice on the CD. It is very distorted, and the girls is talking too fast, and is too close to the microphone. I also feel that the description was misleading. I'm not sure if I am going to use this.

I also have this strange feeling that someone other than the manufacture made my props. It was all very cheaply tossed in a box with a $0.99 "poncho." There was really no packaging, just a bunch of props tossed in the box it was shipped in - with some newspaper. The instructions have been copied so many times that I can barley read them. I think I'm going to buy a real "raincoat", use bigger bags, and re-record the audio message. I bought it from Hocus-Pocus though.

I am disappointed. For $69 I was expecting a little more. I think this routine might ruin my reputation...

This is all just my opinion though. Please don't take any of this offensive. Some of you may love the routine - I however, do not.


May I ask where you purchased this?

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With some clever ideas the concept could be used for kids.
For example, a written weather prediction instead of the CD or your own CD and
you could even add in DEAN DILL's Sports to make it visual for the kids.
The CD does sound like a true weather alert...
This routine is strong enought to be a closer while not seeming too good to be true!
My 2 cents...
But like Carlin use to say, "If some one asks you a penny for your thoughts and you put oin your two cents.....what happens to the other penny?"
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This is now available as a download called "Weather for You" for under ten bucks. I found it on Penguin Magic. I purchased it, and it seems to be the exact routine destribed in this thread. I'm liking it.
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