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On 2006-03-14 13:14, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Any hack can fuss with a ball and cup and get the loads under there before the audience gets bored with the basic "look at the ball under the cup again" thing, say about two minutes. Beyond that it probably helps to have some sort of aesthetic and thematic premises to work from.


OR one can keep them interested with the presentation. I find that my accent works well up here. Metaphors work nice. Of course, being a REAL southerner I run out of them sometimes so I just make them up!

"Don't that just peel the paint off the Washateria?"
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On 2006-03-14 13:10, rikbrooks wrote:BANG - it's under the cup. Then I pull the pocket out and do the "top of the pocket" dodge.


that sounds good. you convinced me of its acceptableness.
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The premise of the chop cup is actually so simple that I created my routine on audience-assumptions. There is a ball and a cup...well, the ball should appear under the cup (obviously).
My routine is about 3.5 minutes. The ball repeatedly disappears from my hand but it fails to end under the cup. It ends up EVERYWHERE else...from different parts of my body, from different (polite) parts of spectators body, never under the cup. Finally I put the ball away. I want to put the cup away, and lo and behold, the ball is under the cup...then, BANG the final loads.
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On 2006-03-14 14:15, Dan LeFay wrote:
The premise of the chop cup is actually so simple that I created my routine on audience-assumptions. There is a ball and a cup...well, the ball should appear under the cup (obviously).
My routine is about 3.5 minutes. The ball repeatedly disappears from my hand but it fails to end under the cup. It ends up EVERYWHERE else...from different parts of my body, from different (polite) parts of spectators body, never under the cup. Finally I put the ball away. I want to put the cup away, and lo and behold, the ball is under the cup...then, BANG the final loads.



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On 2006-03-14 13:14, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
What specifically motivates your presentation? How long do you need to present your premise and express the theme(s) you have in mind?

Any hack can fuss with a ball and cup and get the loads under there before the audience gets bored with the basic "look at the ball under the cup again" thing, say about two minutes. Beyond that it probably helps to have some sort of aesthetic and thematic premises to work from.

I'm saying that there is a lot more you can do with a Chop Cup than people think you can do. You don't have to just put it in your pocket and make it jump under the cup. Dan LeFay has just shown that there is yet another thing you can do with a Chop Cup, that I have never seen done before.

By saying that lots of people don't use the Chop Cup to its full potential, I'm saying that a lot of performers are restrained to a simple "look at the ball under the cup again". If you vary the things you do whith the Chop Cup, then your audience will not get bored, especially if you as an entertainer can keep them entertained.
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Oh, in the routine that I'm working on I currently use one ungaffed ball and 4 gaffed ones. I want to learn how to slip one of the gaffed ones to the spectator, maybe in their pocket or in the chair that they are sitting in - somewhere. I'm working on that. For now I have them hidden around my body.
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I have been thinkin about developing a Chop Cup routine. I am inspired by David Roth, Tommy Wonder and the routine I got with my firs Chop Cup. Where can I fins the Don Allan routine?

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The most comprehensive write up of the "Don Allen Chop Cup Routine" I have found is available here: http://www.thinklikeaconjurer.com/purcha......dacc.htm

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I agree. I provide that writeup free with my "killer chop cups" as it is fantastic.
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I think we won't find much argument with Ron Bauer's handling of the Don Allen routine. It's the best I've seen.
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I use a borrowed dollar bill & cup. Bill rolled to a ball, in the cup, wave of wand, vanish. Re-appear pocket. A hand transfer, wave of wand, and toss to cup. Back in cup, wave of wand, vanish. Search pockets, come up empty, wave of wand, show under cup. A hand transfer, wave of wand, toss to cup, show load. Smile. Guy wonders where his dollar went, wand tap on cup, show bill. Unroll bill and hand it over. Too short? Too long? Just right? I dunno but people are grinning ear to ear.
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On 2006-03-15 13:34, rikbrooks wrote:
I think we won't find much argument with Ron Bauer's handling of the Don Allen routine. It's the best I've seen.



That really isn't Ron Bauer's handling of the Don Alan Routine. It IS the Don Alan routine, with all of the reasoning behind each move.

Anyone who thinks that routine is simplistic or boring has not performed it for a lay audience. It is direct and to the point.

That routine is a perfect example of "Practice until it becomes boring, then practice until it becomes beautiful."
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Hmmm, Bill, I led you to a misconception. When I said Ron Bauer's handling of the routine I meant his explanation of it. I meant the way that he wrote up the routine. You know, it wasn't just word for word Mr. Allen's routine. He 'handled' it in that he decided to write about this before that.

As an author myself the first thing that I do is decide the outline of muy subject. I'm handling the subject. Ron Bauer put together a wonderful explanation of Don Allen's routine.

But I can see how you would think that I was saying something else.
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I have been toying with the idead Mr. Tommy Wonder brought up in his Visions of Wonder series. I forget who he mentioned that mentioned the idea of the reappearing lemon, but that guy too Smile

Sadly my routine started to get quite long. Oddly enough, even though I thought it would get annoying or what ever, the first time I did it for someone they loved it. My routine has a lot happening besides the reappearing lemon, but not so much to make it confusing.

I am quite surprised and happy at how it turned out, but still kinda a long routine.
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When I do a sleight of hand act, I use the chop cup as a sort of challenge for the audience. I never do a "Chop Cup Routine". I say something like, "I am going to slip this ball under this cup. See if you can catch me." Then throughout the show, I do just that, but of course I do not go anywhere near the cup. Oh, and the cup I use is cheap. I use a crumpled up, borrowed dollar bill, and a single serving Pringles can. Smile
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I've been working on the Don Alan's routine from Ron Bauer's book for at least six months that produces sponge balls as the final loads and then I go into a sort of Carl Andrew's Ain't No Mo sponge ball routine. I know many here don't agree with sponge balls for the final load, and I guess at first I did this as a convenience to combine the two routines. But, gee, I get fantastic reactions with this, and, frankly, the routines working together just fascinate me. I think they are both short enough so no one gets bored and its just lots of great action. Actually, I guess I owe this routine to reading the opinions of some expert magicians here on The Magic Café that I wouldn't ordinarily have access to (even those that don't agree with sponge balls being a final load for C&B). So I guess its a great time to say thank you to the Bill Palmer's and Pete Biro's and others (I know I left many out) of this forum that share their opinions and expertise with the rest of us. Thanks, guys!

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