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Michael Messing Inner circle Knoxville, TN 1817 Posts |
Hey Slim & JoJo,
Aren't you guys making a big deal of standard marketing procedure? Amazon.com wanted me to try Amazon Prime. They gave it to me free for three months and then I was given the option to cancel or automatically be billed $69.95 a year. I had to cancel it myself to avoid getting subscribed. I've had plenty of offers like these. (Heck, my credit card company wants me to try out a new service every few months!) I've bought Dave's stuff for years and I've returned an item or two and I cancelled my Inner Circle membership after the first three months (when he first started it.) Guess what, the cancellations and returns were professionally handled. You guys don't have to like Dave or his methods but he's not a crook. You ask for your money back (when it's guaranteed) and he gives it back. What more can you ask for? You don't like his stuff. Don't buy it. All this debate is crazy. Michael |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea to imply crook is not nice and unproductive. IF you have a bad experience with him in this regard please share with the class, but I have found nobody who does. He claims to refund and he indeed seems too.
To automatically assume crook is out of line just a little. Annoying? sure no arguement. Outright dishonest? I don't believe so.
Danny Doyle
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Jo Jo and Slim, (and all…)
Hey guys... it's true, we already “know” that there IS a shipping and handling fee, that is 100% standard! (Good ‘detective' work!) Look at ANY "FREE" product offer on TV and you will know that is true. – (*sigh...*) First, look at what you get for that silly, drop in the bucket $9.97... HOLY COW! (I’m NOT gunna list it all here… my posts have already been long enough. Though apparently, not CLEAR Enough… Humph!) Like I said before, if you don’t want to join, who cares, do ONLY the trial period, go and get all the killer bonus and the 3 months of products for the one-time low shipping cost of 9.97 and quite, no foul, no loss! (Like Mike said, Dave is an honest and man of integrity... no scam there. It is as offered!) Man... THAT really IS a deal regardless of whether like someone or not you want to stay a member or like his inner circle program. REMEMBER: I am NOT a big fan of “some” of what Dave advocates in his information, but it WORKS. (even IF I don;t "like" it!) I “still” don’t do “pushy sales letters” or anything like that. And I am even not a “member” of his inner circle right now either… are you getting the POINT YET??? I am NOT a “Dave Dee” advocate, I am a “SUCCESS Advocate”! Who cares about Dave Dee and HIS success if your own business and success isn’t growing? I get stuff to grow my business cuz MY wife and family deserve it, not Dave Dee’s wife and family! - GET IT YET? As to that silly little shipping fee thing; we have been over this already in this thread too... Honestly, if 9.97 is too much, then we REALLY NEED that pack of information regardless of the stupid 10 bone it takes to get it-all shipped to us... I mean REEEEEEEEALLY NEED some proven marketing stuff 10 bucks or not! Holy crud, or 10 bucks this huge pile of stuff is soooooo under priced. How could you continue to miss that point??? I ship out success support stuff all the time... trust me, the lousy 10 bucks in shipping is NOT even gunna cover his real COST of what you will get during this free trial! HINT: That too is a marketing principle… It’s called a “Lost leader”, and EVERY business (who is successful) does this on a regular basis! My goodness, your grocery store does this all the time, and you don’t boycott your local grocery store! So when it comes to YOUR SUCCESS, why do you boycott now??? I guess I will never understand that sort of what-ever this is… cuz, it sure ain’t “thinking”. (and Growing Rich!) BUT AGAIN... "DO or DON'T DO"; that is up to YOU and I really do-NOT care if you do it or not. WHAT I CARE ABOUT is that we seam to be "stuck" on the silly stuff that kills our success, like: - Hmmmmm... gee, I don't KNOW Dave, but ‘somehow’, I don't LIKE Dave so I'm gunna make up stuff about what I "think" Dave is and post that so that one of my other brothers on the planet won’t be more successful than ME! or... - “Hey... he said it was FREE and I clearly read that I have to PAY 9.97” to cover some of the cost of this pile of free-success-stuff (just like EVERY FREE OFFER on TV and grocery store offer.) even though he is 110% up-front and clear about the ridiculously low 9.97 shipping cost. - He's NOT hiding anything and the “trial” IS FREE. Like him or not, the tiny shipping fee is to cover, hmmm... let's see, what's that? - Oh yeah, SHIPPING! Come on guys... pay attention here. You will NEVER KNOW for yourself what you are, or are-NOT missing unless you TAKE ACTION. THEN you can **** and moan about whether you got ripped-off or not after the trial and the whole pile of bonuses are delivered to your doorstep. (Using that small shipping and handling fee he TOLD US ALL about in plane view! No scam if it’s right out in plane view eh'? Duh… WOW!) That, once again has NOTHING to do with the point and your real success (or NOT) guys. Like others such as Michael and myself have all said... to your own success; do or doo doo, it's up to you! It's YOUR LIFE, YOUR SUCCESS, do what ever spins yer' propeller fellers. I am sorry that his really as been so hard to communicate when all I was ever suggesting that we each take ACTION on our own success and simply "THINK and grow Rich” for ourself, based on the real, live, tested evidence… That is what SUCCESSFUL people do! We’ve heard it a million times in life: "Contempt Prior To Investigation Is Ignorance!" Maybe that will help clear things up... though I know that I have been, if anything, OVERLY CLEAR. (ad nausium... hehehehehe) Based on the supportive PM’s and e-mails I have received over the last week! Just as those who refuse to take success into their own hands by taking real action, but rather keep pointing out any silly, non-existent (Like S&H) reason why they can’t or won’t "THINK and Grow Rich" for themselves. Whether you THINK you CAN or Can’t... Your RIGHT! So... "Your RIGHT!" I will once again, leave you with THIS: “Successful people have simply formed the habit of doing the things that unsuccessful people are unwilling to do, regardless of how they “feel”!” …and - Success is a VERB! - It Requires ACTION! - It doesn’t matter how you “FEEL”! …something terrible happens when you don’t take action… NOTHING! Don’t let that happen to you! Party on! I am, as always, at your success and in HIS Service, Rev P. Dean Hankey - aka: Deano In Reno! <>< PS Maybe, just maybe this will be done.
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Dean
For some kind of Minister/Believer(In HIS Service) I find your post insulting! You said..... I guess I will never understand that sort of what-ever this is… cuz, it sure ain’t “thinking”. (and Growing Rich!) Why do you insult Jo Jo and myself for only asking questions? That betrays your true nature doesn't it? Aren't you a nice guy? If I gave everyone who wants $10 from me I would be broke eventually. What kind of stewardship is that? Shipping and handeling fees are NOT 100% standard! At what point did I EVER call anyone a Crook? I feel a little SPIN going on here. I had some honest questions....but these answers don't seem to be?????? Just my opinion.... Dave
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Ugg... what was THAT? And what does that have to do with the fact of this discussion?
SLIM KING: Dean For some kind of Minister/Believer(In HIS Service) I find your post insulting! DEAN: - - I am sorry you are insulted and apparently misinterpreted my post. NO insult intended or mal-intent offered… really. Sorry, no matter what I say, you are gunna believe what YOU choose to believe which is clearly NOT my intent! (You don’t see anyone else here attacking others beliefs, [or faith] do you? – NO!) I may not agree with you, but that in no way meant anyone was being mean, insulting or anything less than just sharing my point of view. How you came to that conclusion is far beyond me... I can’t make you understand, (nor is it my job) but again, what does this have to do with ANY of my shares here? (or this entire discussion for that matter???) If you have something to share to ‘advance the chat’, then offer it. If you just want to be abusive and beat people up for their faith, passion and convictions cuz I simply want see others here succeed, then do it someplace else please. There is no room for attacking on this discussion. Frankly, it’s beneath you… you are better than that! I have seen your posts. You have a lot to share... again, no need to stoop down that low brother! King, It’s time to step-up and get with the program here and NOT attacking others just cuz you don’t “agree” with someone’s post or share... You are welcome to your opinions, just no need to “attack” one another! – No one else has to do that, nor should YOU brother. We have all seamed to be able to “agree to disagree, agreeably” (and yes, even with passion!) but to stoop so low as to attack ones personal faith is not right brother. Sorry you chose to go there... Sad really. Hey, don’t believe me, go ahead, ask Jo Jo... I in no way insulted you or anyone else! All I did was shared my own point of view based on my own experience and results. YOU are the one who attacked me bud, not the other way around. And STILL Not the point! (How this happens I will never know, I guess!) SLIM KING: Why do you insult Jo Jo and myself for only asking questions? DEAN: Like I said, sorry you somehow got instead… that had nothing to do with my share or point. I never insulted anyone here... *Sigh!* SLIM KING: That betrays your true nature doesn't it? DEAN: - - Hey King, really... how would YOU know what my "True Nature" is bud. You don’t know me or my nature buddy... obviously! If you did, you would also understand clearly that I didn’t insult anyone, ever… including you. SLIM KING: Aren't you a nice guy? DEAN: - - I am what I am brother... most everyone who knows me here and elswhere all say that YES, I am a very nice guy. That too has NOTHING to do with the discussion at hand deos it??? - NO! Honestly, since you asked, those that KNOW me, like me just fine, those who don’t know me (or any other person trying to HELP magician’s succeed... sound familure?) are willing to “say” all sorts of unfounded things based on zero facts or real life experiance. Hey, YOU are the one that took a sucker puch at me by attacking my nature (which you know nothing about...) and my personal faith, again knowing NOTHING about me... sorry you found it necessary to do such a thing. Still not the POINT or even nessasary... SLIM KING: If I gave everyone who wants $10 from me I would be broke eventually. What kind of stewardship is that? DEAN: - - Your RIGHT, but what would any sane, rational, thinking persona do such a thing... we wouldn't! Besides, if you read any of this discussion, “you would have likely not made this statement” as it was already stated and answered here quite clearly, let alone attacking my personal faith and relationship with God, but you did... I will say AGAIN: “NO ONE IS ASKING YOU TO DO ANYTHING BUT “THINK”, AND THEN SIMPLY TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION TOWARDS YOUR OWN SUCCESS!” WHY have you chosen to ‘distract the point’ by name calling and attacking others? Hey, If you have something of value to offer on this discussion you can do it with OUT attacking others! (Everyone else has successfully done so...) You are welcome to disagree... fine, no prob! No one is even saying that you have to “agree with me or anyone else”. - AS a MATTER OF FACT, if you read this discussion clearly what I am suggesting NOT to just “believe” me (or ANYONE else for that matter!) on this issue, but rather “Think” for yourself take your-own success control back in your lives and business outcomes, by coming to your own intelligent and informed conclusion based on your own DOING instead of guessing or worse, taking the word of “anyone” of us here… see??? - - Test, take action and get real RESULTS for yourself. THAT is all I am saying... “AGAIN!” That’s all! – Is that the sign of the mean, faith challanged guy you suggest I am? – No brother... I don’t think so! ...and for this you personally attack me and my personal faith? Sure, I guess you are welcome to do what you think you have-to, but as I see it, it weakens your point cuz it says you can’t discuss the talking points here, but rather have to revert to attacking others to distract from the REAL discussion at hand. Not good bud... not good at all. SLIM KING: Shipping and handeling fees are NOT 100% standard! DEAN: Ok, we’ll simply have to agree to disagree on this my freind... See, that was easy. No need to attck, right? From what I see on TV, Print, the Internet etc... LOTS, and I do mean LOTS of offers I see (Such as the ones we are reffering to in THIS discussion here...) offer the product for a FREE TRIAL and all you pay is the Shipping & Handling... it IS standard in the industry. This is what they do. It is VERY Common! I just know this stuff as proven fact. You don’t have to like my experience, but again, it is what it is... again, no need to attack, but rather it would be good to stay on track. ...really. (again… *sigh*) SLIM KING: At what point did I EVER call anyone a Crook? DEAN: - - This must be for someone else, cuz I never referred, eluded, suggested went around a bush or anything remotely referring or suggesting such a thing... so my answer has to be, "I have no-idea what you are talking about." SLIM KING: I feel a little SPIN going on here. DEAN: - - Again… what the heck are you talking about??? No "spin form "MY" side... yours? SLIM KING: I had some honest questions....but these answers don't seem to be?????? Just my opinion.... Dave DEAN: - - If you are talking to ME, I replied to your posts... maybe it wasn't the answer or reply you “wanted” but it is what it is. Don’t know what to do about that bud. Again, NO NEED to twist thing up as anything other that what it IS. My shares are just that... my shares based on experience, results and proven outcomes and has NOTHING to do with “YOU” personally and certainly does NOT warrant personal attacks brother. Like it or not... I Love ya’ anyway. Can’t we JUST return to have “HEALTHY” (albeit passionate) conversation to make everyone who reads this thread a bit more “informed”. That all I want... You? Again, this is supposed to be “Magician’s HELPING Magician’s!” and NOT “Magician’s attacking and berating other Magician’s Faith and character!”, so lets please get back on track her shall we? ...and to think, I thought we’d be closer to being DONE with this. I am at your service and In HIS Service, (Like it or not…) Dean <>< Unless someone else attcks me off-point, I'm done. (Yeah, yeah, I know... YEAH, right? Hehehehehe!) Hope that this all really DOES help! Remember: "THINK and Grow Rich!"
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
Here’s my 2 cents.
I don’t have any Dave Dee products. I have read some articles by him, and also subscribed to his e-mail newsletters. Some of his thinking I liked, and thought it was in line with a professional performer thinking about business, and had already been applying some of it myself. Some things were new to me, and I explored them a little, from what I could figure out. I also respect him for wanting to help others, and really popularizing marketing for magicians. (Yes, there were resources around before, but you had to know where to look.) However, there was still some things I didn’t like about what he seems to offer, and the way he offers it, that stopped me from making a positive buying decision. So, I have some likes and dislikes. But I don’t see the logic in attacking him or his marketing, just because it doesn’t appeal enough to me personally to make a buying decision. I’m sure I would have found good value, as I tend to look for something good in everything I read. I just take what I like and want to try, and move on. If I like enough, then I become a raving fan. The free trial seems like a good enough offer, but for me, I just have other places I am investing my “marketing education” dollars and time and learning effort right now. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t right for others. If it was a buffet, I am sure there would be some items I would like, and some I would pass on having. Just because there is calamari at the buffet (something I don’t like), doesn’t mean I go out front of the restaurant and tell others to stay out of the restaurant. Let them discover for themselves whether they like what’s at the buffet. - Donald
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
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WINNER! =-=-=-=-= Congratulations on a great share! You are 100% RIGHT, "Success Is like Going To a Grocery Store!" We don’t necessarily buy everything on the shelf, (That would be silly!) but you don’t see me outside the store violantly tossing bricks through the window cuz I don’t like or buy "caned oyster juice", right? See, this "THINK and Grow Rich" thing ain't that tough now is it? …and YES, I am, as always, At Your Service and In HIS Service, Deano <>< Posted: Mar 25, 2006 2:42am Uh boy... Never said I was right... Never! Where the heck did you get that from?? - As a matter of fact, if you actually READ the discussion you will clearly see that I said that I am NOT… many times! "AGAIN", What does THAT have to do with anything being discussed? Success has nothing to do with caps... All I did was suggest that we consider thinking in terms of SUCCESS based on facts instead of conjecture and hyperbole and the opinions of others... myself included. That is fair... not a bunch of Cr&^p, as you say it is. Sorry that you feel proven success is bunch of Cr&^p ! Hey, I'm not the one that is at-all mad, upset, or anything but "genuinely care-filled" for the success of others, WHY are you so angry? So my posts are longer than you "like", and I use some “caps”... big deal. That is how I post sometimes… big deal! Is that any reason to be mean? (No one is "making" anyone read my posts) Is that a reason to be so nasty? Can’t we just have an intelligent success discussion and stay on track? If you have something to ADD to the success of this discussion, please share, if you don't, please do not. We don’t need any more distractions that have NOTHING to do with theses conversations. As our mom’s always say, if you don’t have anything nice to say, the don’t say anything at all. So, if it ADDS to the well being of this forum, the discussion and each other, then share, if not, why disturb and disrupt the discussion. Let's actually TRY and be what the Café motto suggests: "Magician’s HELPING Magician’s!", shall we? I am at your service and In HIS Service, Dean <><
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
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interstate_dj New user 24 Posts |
Dean, (and others who are attempting to remain positive.)
Thanks for your un-biased opinions and remarks. You are truly professional. For everyone else (and you know who you are) this thread is completely getting blown out of context. Enough is enough. I thought we could ALL be professional and less like "My Dad is bigger then your Dad" attitude. Lets end this thread right now! I apologize for what I thought was a kind gesture by passing along some information. A few of you took it as just that (Thank you for being professional) and others had to start a never ending war of continual attack! GROW UP! I am glad the rest of the world don't have access to such immature behavior on this board otherwise you (and you know who you are) would be judged and thrown in the fire. What would your clients think of you? Then again WHO CARES? You won't affect my success. Focus your attention on what matters most because this obviously don't.
Jerry Pierce
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Al Kazam the Magic Man Inner circle Living in Perth Western Australia 1042 Posts |
Hi Jerry,
Im suprised you didn't know that Dave Dee has been discussed in the tricky business area of the Café several times already. Did you do a search on it before your posting? You may have thought twice before you did. I do not think it's unprofessional in the Café for those who do not want or like for that matter what Dave Dee is offering, to share that here. We are of course supposed to be magicians helping each other. For what it's worth I am a member of Dean's site as well. Happily so. I'm used to his (Dean's) long posts. I've also listened in on the MagicRadio interview that Dean had with Dave Dee. I have heard Dean's opinions on Dave Dee. I don't agree with a lot of what Dave Dee has to offer. It's definitely not my style. (and yes I have read some) I do feel I know why Dean has spent so much time posting in this one thread. Can't understand why he has become very very defensive either. I don't want to speak for others, but when I read the same things being said in post after post I end up skimming them very quickly to see what others have had to offer. It's getting to be a whole lot of repetition, bordering on lecturing, and speaking down to the lowly masses. That's how I'm beginning to see this thread heading. All the best, JoJo <-------one who has spent 30 years in HIS service.
Magic guy in Perth Australia
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icentertainment Inner circle 1429 Posts |
I must admit Dean your posts are simply too long to read much like a Dave Dee sales letter- it just keps on going and going and going
interstate_dj The problem is your intial post is exactly what Dave Dee does gets some no name person to say how wonderful his product is Like the Magic Magazine articles the page long ones talking about how you know everyone has read them. People wise up and get sick of reading about it- Their are some parts of Dave dees stuff I like but I'm sorry to say that his performance is shocking and as a full time performer and an artist I would prefer to get my knowledge from someone in Magic who is a great marketer but also is a good performer. |
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
I'm sorry.
Yes I am guilty of too much passion on the subject of success. (Those who know me, know and love that about me!) I NEVER, in a million years intended to come off as "ranting" or “talk down” to anyone... that is simply not who I am or what I am about. I was simply sharing a point of view that some posters here disagree with… I thought that disagreeing was OK as long as it stayed on track and didn’t get personal or nasty. I truly apologize if my shares were perceived as anything but simply offering up one guys (how ever unpopular) insights and experiences with out attacking anyone in the process. - - That was the farthest thing on my mind and my heart. Please accept my deepest and most sincere apologies. Have a truly awesome and amazing day and may all the success you deserve be yours in plenty! I remain at your service and In HIS Service, Dean <><
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
First off to magic711, you really have no place here in this discussion. You jump in way late and throw grenades and offer no help. So stop attacking, offer advice or stop posting. It is a "helping" forum not a bashing forum.
I offer no opinion of Dave Dee either way. I have no need for his or any other things of that nature. Does it make the stuff bad automatically? Obviously not. While Deans posts may be long indeed,(and they certianly are) so what? Many guys drone on and on about the best double lift techniques which will do NOTHING to help you in life. Dean is passionate about sucess. His and others. To attack him for this is pointless. To attack his faith is groundless. As a matter of fact Dean and I have gone a few rounds, as well as Donald and I. Passion is one thing. Personal attacks another. Funny thing is if you read Deans posts, and Donalds for that matter, you will notice one thing going through them in this thread. They spend quite little time on Dave HIMSELF and his products. Simply correcting misimpressions and telling you to be a sucess no matter what you do to achieve it. (within reason) IF Dave is the reason you get up and act like a sucess then great. If not then ok find something else, but find it. Sucess is not going to hit like a bolt of lightening, it has to be worked at. Daves way is indeed one way to do it. Deans is another, Jim Snack, Jim Pace, and many others OUTSIDE the magic community offer help in this regard. Oh and if you think that you don't pay for shipping in one way or another you need to think a little harder. If it is included in the price, if it is tacked on as an extra, I don't care but the fee is there. Sorry nobody pays for all shipping costs without passing it along to the customer no matter WHAT you order. It is there somewhere. I doubt the man is getting rich by charging shipping alone. Slim you "implied" Dave was a crook you never said it. You worded your post in such a way as to imply he was dishonest. If that was not your intent then so be it but when you say things like "I have to cancel using HIS SYSTEM" "what if the fax isn't working that day what is the charge?" oh and "ever sign up for a FREE AOL trial?". Problem Slim is AOL was in trouble for doing exactly what you imply. Dave is not. When you lump them in the same group, it "implies" crook. It seems as if your honest questions had a point to them. If so then that is where you called him a crook. If not then I step back and appologise. You claim to only be asking questions but your asking the "have you stopped beating your wife" questions and I think you are smart enough to know this. It is a classic defence attorney technique to make the "victim" be on trial. You ask questions that throw stones at the same time. Not really productive. Bottom line is if Dave gets someone off their fanny and working then the stuff is worth its weight in gold. IF not then it isn't worth a wooden nickle. On this I hope we all can agree on.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Talking about success and sharing success ideas to better myself and my business is a BAD thing? Did I miss something there? Talking about that to me is worth all the money in the world and the information expressed here openly and freely by Dean and others is so valuable if you are just willing to listen and take action.
Bottom line is this: If you do not like Dave Dee or his products then you simply have the right and choice not to buy it and move on with your life. Kyle
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I wasn't attacking anyones FAITH....I was just pointing to the LACK OF IT. LOL...
I have absolutely no Idea what anyone believes. That's up to you. However, by signing every post with "HIS" service, you bring the spotlight on yourself. ( This referance to HIS could also mean something just the opposite( Check the Bizarre sections of this Café...LOL) Dean...Thanks for the apology! I won't ask any more relevant questions. I've learned my lesson.
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Isn't Dave Dee the crux of the discussion and not Deans faith? Slim stop throwing grenades as it helps no one.
We are waiting for you to ask a "relevant" question as of yet.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Here's the questions that no one's answered...They just jumped on me from the start.
Posted: Mar 23, 2006 11:05pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So I have to give this dude $10.00 and my credit card number for this FREE information? Then I must cancel it through HIS SYSTEM of canncellation or I'll be charged a fee after that? What if his FAX doesn't seem to work that day? How much is the charge?....Ever signed up for the FREE AOL? Just some honest questions. These are relevent questions that everyone is entitled to ask. Here's another one. Isn't offering $15 bucks a month to everyone you sign up very similar to one of those AMWAY reward systems...almost a pyramid scheme???? How's that for a question?
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
Rewarding referrals is an acceptable practice. We've had other threads discussing it. In fact, I think that Dave Dee teaches this in his course, from what I have heard and read (as does Dan Kennedy).
So, an affiliate program would be consistent action with what he teaches. BTW, someone even offered the link for you, if you refuse to use affiliate links. There's a lot of fuss here for people that don't like calamari. Stay out of the restaurant, or skip over that part of the buffet. - Donald
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
The subject of Dave Dee always gets the reactions. Why? What is it about him or his products that ignite this type of dialog?
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RobertBloor Inner circle The Socialist Republic of the USA. 1051 Posts |
I'm not sure why people jump all over Dave Dee. Especially the ones that have never used his products or dealt with him personally.
ME? I have some of his products. So I'll speak to this... I don't care for Dave Dee anymore for two primary reasons. Oops! The Faxes Got Mixed Up! BLAME THE WIFE! Sometimes it's easiest to blame the wife I guess. A few superconferences back (I'm sure it was one of the "last" ones he did) he had sent out a deal stating that the first 17 people would get dinner on him during a brainstorming session of sorts. (the exact details may vary, but this is proximately correct). A few days letter he sends out an eMail to his list stating that "Tracey (his wife) had 'mixed up the faxes'" so he had "No idea!" which order they came in, so now he would treat, "Everybody to this dinner" (in fairness) provided they "sign up now". Side note - I understand this marketing technique. I don't disagree with it. When I read it, the first thing to hit me was "Don't fax machines have a time stamp?" Even several others on The Dean's List, including Deano himself, as well as the esteemed Rick Allen caught that mistake! Do I have a problem that he decided to buy dinner for EVERYONE? Nope. Do I have a problem that he used a marketing technique to do it? Nope. Do I have a probelm that he may have taken people for stupid? Yes. He had eMailed me and stated that "his fax doesn't have a time stamp." (but I'll leave that to all of you to decide whether you believe that one or not.) Reason #2 We often talk about ONLY listening to those experts who have WALKED THE WALK. In other words - only take advice from those people who have BEEN where you want to GO. Last time I checked - Dave Dee - was never a disc jockey (or "mobile entertainer") I could be wrong, but I have NEVER heard of him being a DJ. In fact, his sales letter on the Ultimate Mobile Entertainers page is in many ways the exact wording of his "Ultimate Magicians" page. So listen - if we're only going to take advice from those who have BEEN THERE DONE THAT - I'd like to see some video of ALL OF DAVE'S SUCCESS as a DJ. And that's my take on Dave Dee... Now back to the sermon at hand... I do own the Ultimate Magicians program. I've learned a fair amount from it. However I can tell you without question, his sales letters blew chunks...FOR ME. They weren't applicable. It makes me sick to see how many performers (as illustrated in my recent LIVE! Wire about Guarantees) how many so called entertainers are using Dave's script and sales letter verbatim. All of them have the same pathetic, "tear up your check guarantee" and "No one else offers this kind of piece of mind." NOW WITH ALL THAT SAID... ANYONE who HAS NOT PURCHASED a Dave Dee product and TRIED TO ACTUALLY APPLY IT...you all should see yourselves out of the conversation. That's what Dean's main concern here is. That being the sheer number of people who don't like Dave for whatever reason, though have never met him, used his products, or so much as shared an eMail with the man. If you're not sure, spend the $9.97 on shipping. JUST BE SURE YOU CANCEL IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BUY MORE!!!!! I will say this, I've never known Dave not to refund/cancel in the event it happens. Robert
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Thanks Robert!
You've answered several of my questions. Just the kind of information I was seeking. Dave
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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