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beaker New user 77 Posts |
I was looking through my card handling books last night, and my RRTCM DVD, and I cannot find any instruction on this count. I know how to do it, but I am looking for fine points (ie keep left hand still? Right hand? Snap cards?)
Anyone know a link or such where I can see it being done well? Or some info on what to focus on? Thanks! Beaker |
BlendoSquid Regular user UK 140 Posts |
Hi,
This has een discussed before. Try checking out this thread, I think it answers your question. http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......;forum=2 Regards, Kevin Courtney :kewl: |
Rennie Inner circle I think I have about 1822 Posts |
Buy Jerry Mentzer's book, "Counts, Cuts, Moves & Sublety." I see it for sell often and very economical.However there are not that many different ways to do the count, not sure what you mean about "snapping" the cards. You are only showing 4 cards as 4 while hiding the 3rd card..
Rennie
The effect is the important thing, how you achieve it is not.......
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Lance Pierce Special user 878 Posts |
In the first volume of the Elmsley books, Alex Elmsley himself explains in great detail what makes this count work well. It may be the best explanation anywhere (book OR video) of the mechanics of the count.
Cheers, Lance |
Alejandro Peterson Elite user México 408 Posts |
And a grat performer of this count is John Guastaferro in his brain storm dvds
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beaker New user 77 Posts |
Thanks a bunch!! One of these days, I will remember to use the search function before posting!!
Beaker |
beaker New user 77 Posts |
Rennie,
I have actually never seen the count used to show four as four while hiding one. I have always seen it used to show five as four, or six as four. I suppose the mechanics would be virtually identical, and I learned it from a very basic packet trick I bought fifteen years ago so I have no idea how Alex Elmsley actually intended for it to be used. As far as "snapping" the card, I am referring to the last card, and giving the corner a bit of a "snap" as it slides off your finger into the other hand. Maybe "snap" isn't the correct term, but I cannot think of a better way to describe it. Beaker |
scorch Inner circle 1480 Posts |
The description in Card College (along with several other workhorse false counts) is excellent.
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
Quote:
On 2006-03-17 11:05, beaker wrote: Although there's much more business taking place, "Twisting the Aces" shows four as four while hiding one. |
Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
The count was originally named the "Ghost Count" and is commonly used to show four as four while hiding one that is reversed or a different color.
Each card should appear and sound the same as they are counted/shown. I also recommend Jerry Mentzer's "Counts, Cuts, Moves & Sublety." Here: http://www.magicmethodsonline.com/cbooks.html |
magicman226 Loyal user San Antonio, Texas 234 Posts |
I learned it on one of Michael Ammar's ETMCM dvds.
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mxray Loyal user 276 Posts |
ONot meaning to slight anyone ( no pun intended) but on one of his "Paperclipped" video, Jay Sankey does an entirely different version of a false count than the standard Elmsley count that I know.
To be honest, I thought it looked incredibly more convincing. Does anyone know what count that is? Thanks MXRay |
vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10960 Posts |
Beaker........ pm me with your e mail address andi I will help you ,I will even send you my roll over count that I use in place of the elmsley count
the godfather |
Zazz Veteran user California 315 Posts |
Gerry Griffin teaches the Elmsley Count very well in his Queens Out Of Control DVD and when you perform that trick you get lots of practice with it. Gerry also teaches it in Complete Card Magic - Volume Seven: Cuts and Sleights!
Daryl's Encyclopedia of Card Sleights Volume 7 also teaches the Elmsley Count. |
Magiguy Inner circle Seattle, WA 5473 Posts |
First of all... be sure to take Vinny up on his offer to assist. That is ALWAYS rule #1 on the Café (and you will NEVER be disappointed).
Next... the only snap count I can think of is the Paul Harris count to show so few as so many (The Mondo Nifty False Count), but this actually has nothing to do with Elmsley. I also "third" the vote for Mentzer's "Counts, Cuts, Moves & Sublety." What a trove of great information. Best of luck! |
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