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Mathias Kersting
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On 2009-11-09 19:51, MagicRocks wrote:
I am just wondering. Will you use the Si Stebbins setup for a simple trick to make the selection as fair as possible ? Is it worth stacking the whole deck to know one card to make the selection fair and allow the spectator to insert the card and shuffle? what's your opinion ?


For me it would depend whether or not it would make the effect itself that much stronger.
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Can you give some examples of tricks that you will choose to use that stack ?
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The last post here was about 3 years ago. I wonder if anybody has put out a book or DVD exclusively on Si Stebbins Tricks?
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Theres a bunch of effects using si stebbings throughout Darwin Ortiz works
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CAANDY by Chris Mayhew is pretty darn cool.
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Steve Beam, Nick Trost have published a lot... Jan
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Harmonic Convergence by Cameron Francis (which is a bonus effect that comes with the Annihilation Deck) is a wonderful effect using the Si Stebbins principle. The nice thing about this effect is that you can repeat it again and again with the same group of people and they will never catch on.
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Let's not forget one of the old sources, before magicians forget where some of the effects come from. Encyclopedia Of Card Tricks, edited by Jean Hugard, has a chapter on prearranged packs, as well as a chapter on the Nikola system.
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Can a card estimation can be done??
If yes, how pleaase??
“It’s not what you do that matters, or even how you do it;
it’s what the spectators perceive you as doing that matters.
That’s the MAGIC they’ll remember.”
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On May 26, 2020, ursmagicbalu wrote:
Can a card estimation can be done??
If yes, how pleaase??



Prestidigitation section of Erdnase goes into how to know the position of any card in the pack using Eight Kings rather than Si Stebbins, but the same principle applies. Calculation is required though and at the point you're putting in enough work to become quick at this, (it's my opinion that) your time would be better spent learning a proper stack.

Even if the deck is cut in Stebbins, it's not necessary, I feel, to know the exact number offhand. If, for example, once you know which card is on top, you know its counterparts are exactly 13 steps away, and these could be used as key cards. For example, if the top card is the Queen of Diamonds, you will know that the Queen of Clubs is at Position 14, the Queen of Hearts at 27, Queen of spades at 40 etc. Cutting the deck into halved or quarters shouldn't be too hard, and any other card you want will now be an estimable distance from the top.

For instance, the queen diamonds is on top, but you want the ace of spades. Cut the Q4 to the top, pinky count four cards and perform a double undercut.

Erdnase gives some precise formulas. I still recommend learning and memorizing a proper stack. It's all a matter of when you want to put in the work: in private or in performance. Si Stebbins and Eight Kings and their ilk are easy to learn but the tricks you're talking about will require more brainpower during performance. Quite the opposite: stacks are hard work. But once you've done it, your performance work is a breeze. You no longer have to pause to do calculations.


It seems an awful lot of time in your head though to figure out relations between the cards and perform calculations.
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Thank you
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