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Silvio Solaris Inner circle Xtreme Magic 1110 Posts |
Anybody interested to get a custom TT looking like their own thumb?
I found someone who can make them out of a mold with matching skin color and acrylic nail, for the discerning pro and perfectionist.
Magical Wishes
Silvio Solaris 'Is all that we see and seem but a dream within a dream?' E.A.Poe |
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mghia Veteran user Kymystical 387 Posts |
I would like some follow ups from the guys who bought Fredi up when this post started and now have had it for a couple of years. Those who said theirs held up back then, are they still holding up now? I was not clear if these had paint. It sounded is if they did and really not much if anything sticks to silicone. So I wonder how pretty they look today.
It is one thing to have a nice to look at prop but another to have a practical prop that can hold up over time. Silvio, I dabbled in making these at one time. I ran into the problem that if you do not expand the tip and have a small thumb to start, you will have a tip too small to hold anything. I think around the time FrediUp launched someone was selling a kit. Not sure how well it went over. Since I was working on a kit to sell, I know that there is allot of user error that could be introduced. Pretty much, if your thumb is not close to the size of a standard TT, you will have issues with one molded exactly from your thumb. So if you are saying that he will make a mold of your thumb, well I have learned it is not going to work. |
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
I have a vernet tt which doesn't look exactly like my thumb, nor is the color exactly like the color of my thumb, but I have never been caught using it. Mostly because I don't go flashing it. With proper handling I don't see why anyone would need one to exactly match their own thumb. I'm also with mghia on this one. Making a mold of your exact thumb will no doubt limit what you can put into it.
"If you're going to walk in the rain, don't complain about getting wet!"
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ghostmagician New user 47 Posts |
Personally, I think it's overkill. The one dollar Vernets do the trick perfectly. What I did to my vernet T. T. is I painted the thumb area with some of my wife's acrylic clear nail polish. This gives the nail a realistic natural look. Then I stuffed some aluminum foil down into it, which protects the tip during cigarette tricks (cig. thru shirt, etc.).
A magician isn't defined by how many tricks he knows, but how well he has mastered them!
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mghia Veteran user Kymystical 387 Posts |
The reason many Caucasians can use Vernet is that for the $1 you get a plastic that has a translucence. I really being taught to use a red silk since it can show through the plastic and thus help with the blood look. I have found this to be true. Many like them also because they are easy to mold on the end to get a better fit.
But you have to hate the mold mark, uniform color and slight shine. SOME DO know where to look and will try to find it. So the better the match to the performer the less it will be casually picked up. Would not want to stick out LIKE A SORE THUMB now would we....? ) Note magicians should not always put their 2 cents in on some threads about TT. If someone is ASKING FOR input of the quality of the tips, read the forum first since you will read that others have already tried to get the debate off topic with the "proper handling" belief. True or gray, the topic is how good and durable the Fredi Up tip is. If the price was lower I am sure half the people who have posted about not needing something like this, would go away. Magicians can be a frugal bunch, myself included. I asked my question to those who use the tip and want to see if they are holding up since I do see the value in a matching tip. Many threads about TT get bogged down on theory and practice. One does not argue how OFF color a TT can be. However it is not overkill to seek better color and realism since it allows even more natural displays. The only reason someone who CLAIMS they can use chrome or a patriotic painted TT is ONLY if they are hiding it. In the middle of winter can drive a 1969 Volkswagen Beetle or a 2008 Lexus. Both will get you to your destination but one will get you there with more style, comfort and safety. So while we all CAN use $1 TT maybe we do not HAVE TO. People are smarter than magicians want to admit. Many ADULTS will not point it if they see it. Kids will.... However, even ghostmagician felt the need to ALTER his tip for more realism which also reinforces that it is NOT overkill to seek a better TT. It is the price that many magicians get bothered by. So really one should say that the $1 Vernet is not perfect but can be altered to look better to satisfy some needs for some effects. The realistic elements allow your hands to be shown in a more open and natural manner. As people do know about the Vernet style and coloring with lovely mold seam, which most are taught to point right at the audience, one can argue that a realistic TT will allow the performer to more casually display his or her hands at a closer distant and more angles. That being said, I currently am not supporting the Fredi up TT until I get feedback on how durable they are. I received a PM stating they have gotten better but this person still was handling the tip with kid gloves and not using it much. He felt the paint would rub off, over time just in the pants pockets. This seems to be an issue with their base material and what does not stick to its surface for much longer than to sell it to you. If this is incorrect, I would be more than happy to be wrong. Since I know I am holding a tip in my hand and moving it in and out of pockets, I do not need sweat, oils or rubbing to ruin it. oil do agree you are better off trying to dress up other TT that cost so much less if the Fredi Up does wear. Current Fredi Up prices are about $38 for M. |
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
I guess there are a growing number of magicians who are seeking more realistic t.t's for pulling off more bold, in your face, close-up magic where flashing is not only intentional, but required. I have at times flashed my t.t in a bold way, but do not do that too often. I am also not an advocate for purple, orange, or even chrome t.t's.(lol)
"If you're going to walk in the rain, don't complain about getting wet!"
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
My Fredi looks terrible. I stopped using it because the nail peeled off andit is a silicone off white. I finally got an answer to my email and they said they were not at fault. Losers. Don't buy these lousy thumbtips. They look great until you use them and then become spotty. Eventually all the paint will rub off.
Total waste of money. James
Still with the Chinese circus
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Evilstalkerhorne New user USA Waterloo Iowa 70 Posts |
Well, let me just say a few things about what you all have been talking about.
1. Frediup is very durable. I have even glued it to my actual thumb with rubber cement and a stage glue that is a bit stronger. I found that it did start to fade it a VERY little right about a mm around the cut off where it ends. It was either the 100% alcohol that I used to clean it or the glue that did this. It just got a very light shade darker. I do not use the glue now and washed it off with a fingernail scrubber. This helped a lot and it is almost back to the origional color. You cannot get much rougher than that! I also use a pair of gloves now. It is pretty much UNDETECTABLE even close up (RIGHT IN FRONT CLOSE UP) and use a gimmick called "Pyrofreak" which is about the same size as "Kronos." This device actually lights flashpaper and cotton with a filiment that gets glowing hot!! It has not damaged my tip, although I do have to wash the charred area from time to time. Frediup is very durable and is not "painted" as some of you have said they are. The outside is actually a thinner almost clear rubber and the underside is the colored part. If you lost the nail, or somehow ripped, chipped, etc. your tip then just buy another one (they are about $50) since it sounds to me like you all have bought way more expensive gimmicks to throw in them (not unlike myself). If you want to be the best it is gonna cost you a little bit. Oh, and whatever you did to break it, quit doing that shXt! I keep mine in my pocket and they still are ok. I do not put keys in the same pocket though. Commonsense people! 2 I have bought 2 Frediups so far. They both are slightly different and the one is longer by about 3 to 4 mm. I liked this better to do my Kronos. Again, if you wear tipless gloves then they are pretty much undetectable. The only way someone may know it is if they feel it or if you hold your other thumb too close at a wrong angle because it will appear a bit thinner (because it does not have a gimmick on it). Of course this can be solved by just buying one for each hand. I also would like to point out here that the heat will be on the gloves. If you take them off for examination and angle your hands well this distracts the others from seeing your gimmick. 3 I am posting a video review on many of the fake tips I have bought in the last 6 months from a variety of companies. This should be out in the next few days (by June 15th) on my website (evilstalkerhorne.com) and will be on the face page if you click the right eye. This is where a hidden spot where I review magic products for fellow magicians ONLY. I will start with the tips since there is so much BS either way. If you are going to be doing ANYTHING with tips check this out sometime. 4 I must say, Kronos is a great effect, as is Pyrofreak. Both come with a tip but Pyrofreak is way better than the Kronos one and doesn't cost as much. I however have replaced them both with Frediups since this by far is the best tip EVER that I have encountered. (If you have a better one let me know and I will review it) I am disappointed that after $250 dollars of my hard earned cash that Kronos did not come with an awesome tip! How disheartening to open this great lookin box, see an interesting, well built gimmick and then find that you could not fool a blind man with it. I am soooooooo glad that I read about the Frediup tips here and bought one! Pyrofreak is way better with a Frediup tip also. (just be careful poking the holes for the probes. I used a dull straight blade) I again will say that with gloves (the kind with the fingers cut out) the tips are un-noticable. The gloves being black also help hide the probes on the Pyrofreak gimmick. If you are going to do ANYTHING with fake tips get the Frediup. If you don't you better have about 20 feet between you and them. |
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Evilstalkerhorne New user USA Waterloo Iowa 70 Posts |
Oh yeah, also note that Frediup comes in MANY colors and sizes. This is not even an option with ANY of the other companies that I have seen selling tips. Keep that in mind before you go bashing! This is one of the few products that I have found to actually live up to what it says it does for magicians.
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feifei Regular user United Kingdom 186 Posts |
Well I got to say it really look ultra realistic. But unfortunately I got mine from magicshop.co.uk long ago before I found out about Fredi's website after I received mine.. and the problem is that magicshopUK only had one type and it was the wrong color for my skin.. I ordered the size that fits my thumb following the measurement instruction, the thumbtip I got fits well from the tip of my thumb till the middle of my thumb, but the end of it was too large hence making it very visible... didn't send it back at the time as it would make it cost more...
hmm.. was wondering if anyone had trimed theirs to fit? Just thought it was a bit expensive to cut it... but would be a waste if I don't use it, been lying there for quite some time now. And any tip on how to make it darker without ruining it? And anyone has experience washing it in water? Does the color come off? |
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Evilstalkerhorne New user USA Waterloo Iowa 70 Posts |
You have to really read the PDF document for sizing the thumbs. It is in english and in French. It has a strip on it that should measure out to a certain mm in length. If it does not you must adjust your view of the file until it matches close enough to compensate. This is very tricky to figure out but at least you can ballpark it batter.
For anyone interested........ I am keeping this secret from general knowledge except for MAGICIANS ONLY!!!! On my website "Evilstalkerhorne.com" if you click on my right pupil it will open a new area for magic stuff. I am currently linking things and editing videos etc. but I HAVE POSTED A VIDEO REVIEW OF 5 different thumb tips and a finger tip!!!! Once in the secret area..... click on "Reviews" and then click on "Thumb Tips Review" This will launch a .rm file and stream the video to you for examination. You MUST HAVE REAL MEDIA INSTALLED FOR THIS TO PLAY. Please do not email me or post saying it will not work if you do not have REAL PLAYER installed then it will without a doubt not play. Thankyou for taking the time to read this, and hopefully you will all benefit from my quest to find the best tip out there! |
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Evilstalkerhorne New user USA Waterloo Iowa 70 Posts |
By the way...... I also know I mispelled "better" as "batter" in my last post. Opps. Who cares?! Check out the vid and watch for my custom tricks to come out very soon! If you like this review, think about how good my own tricks will get. I think I have hit things pretty well with it but let me know what you all think.
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Josho Special user Albany, New York 758 Posts |
I received my first Fredi Up today, the XL Standard Caucasian.
At least, that's what I ordered. (I got it from Hank Lee's, BTW.) I'm not at all sure that this is standard Caucasian. The label on the baggie only says XL, there is no reference to the color. I'm pretty fair-skinned, but this is quite noticeably lighter than my own skin. I find it strikingly pale. The pad side is actually a good bit pinker than the nail side. It's a little hard to believe that there's a shade lighter than this (their "Pale Caucasian"). So my question is: do these things skew light? I'd hate to spend money returning it to Hank Lee's to make sure it's the right shade, only to find that it IS the standard shade. Despite the realism, I'm not at all sure that this is less potentially noticeable than a Vernet (which is somewhat darker than my skin). --Josh |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
"Do the Freddie
Its a thing to do, kids will laugh at you So do the freddie Kick your feet up , swing your arms up too move your head both ways, like you see me do then just repeat through the swinging beat Do the Freddie , Freddie Do the Freddie, Freddie" :dancing: :rotf:
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Josho Special user Albany, New York 758 Posts |
Christopher,
Ha! My college roommate taught me to do the Freddy, and I ended up getting a copy of the record (on vinyl). What a silly-looking dance! I wonder if anyone actually DID it. --Josh |
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takeachance Inner circle 3764 Posts |
The standard is just a little lighter than the Vernet, it's a good match for most of us whities. It sounds like you got the vampire model. Google Fredi Up and go to the direct site, they show photo's of each.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
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On 2008-06-14 19:32, Josho wrote: Josh, do you remember when we were kids and the Dreamers were on the Sullivan show doing it? What a weird dance ( catchy tune ). 40 something years later I was doing a wedding banquet and this guy and girl ( in their 20's ) are doing..that dance. I asked them what syle it was and they said...it called The Freddie.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Daniel Lander Loyal user Gloucestershire, England 292 Posts |
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On 2008-06-15 00:12, takeachance wrote: I'd agree Josh; I do not have fair, pale skin by any means, and even toyed a little with maybe going for the Mediterannean option when I bought my Fredi - however, I went for the Standard Caucasian and it's a very good match. |
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Josho Special user Albany, New York 758 Posts |
Many thanks, folks. I sat down to write an email to Hank Lee and then noticed something else: on the invoice, the item number for "Silicone Thumbtip - XL Std. Cau." is 70.892. The bag that the tip came in (which does not mention the shade of the tip) says, "70.893." So I think it's pretty clear now that they sent the wrong tip.
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Evilstalkerhorne New user USA Waterloo Iowa 70 Posts |
This is what I do not get...... why do you dudes go to other on-line shops for the Freddie up and other gimmicks when the maker has a site of their own?! The dif between the standard cauc and the pale can be seen on my streaming vid (see my earlier posting) The one I modified is the standard "Roy" model. The one that I put Kronos in is the pale "Milo". As I recall, both are L in size. I hope this helps. Anyone looking at tips should check out my vid. I show several next to each other for comparison. (I believe that the Vernet is the first one I show, and it is a hard plastic type) The Freddie is the only one which has a variety of tones. Who has a thumb that is ALL the same color? (Unless you have a prosthetic hand that is)
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