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magicman1
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There was a way that someone used to get a stuck shell loose..
It was something aboutputting in a glass and twirling it or something..
need help. I can turn it in the shell but can't get it to let it loose..
thanks,
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I used to use my bang ring if you have one. Other than that, out it in a glass and shake vigorously . It should come loose.. Also check to see if you shell has a nick init that is holding the coin in.
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I hate when this happens.

What I have done is to hold the coin in my hands with the shell opening upward. I then sqeeze the shell upward toward the coin with my fingers as I try like crazy to twist the coin in the shell. This has worked for me.

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On 2006-04-07 19:12, rtclark wrote:
...in a glass and shake vigorously...

Roth suggests using a plastic juice tumbler.
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Well, first figure out if you can turn the coin at all.

If you *can* turn it, you are in good shape, because you can not only find a "loose" spot in the rotation, but if you can get it all the way around you can slightly loosen the shell just by working the un-even coin around and around the shell(the big parts of the coin will push out on the tight parts of the shell). I try to work the coin in different directions and rotate just to get it a BIT less tight.

Then its a combination of rotating the coin to where you feel its the most loose, and then holding the edges and banging it, or holding edges and tapping the center, or just using a fingernail to pry down any part of the coin you can see(though this workjs better for loosening the shell than actually getting the coin out since when you only pick from one side the coin rocks on the edge and tightens up a bit).

I've had a shell lock on me a couple times before and I've never had to shake it in a glass or use anything other than my two hands...Just keep working it until its as loose as you can get and then start trying to get it out.
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Once I found the loose side, I've used a real fine sewing pin to slightly stick up between the coin and shell (not all the way up) and try to sort of pry on the coin with the point of the sewing pin with very minimal force.
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Here is the best way I have found to do this and believe me...I tried a ton of differing methods. Shaking in the glass 'can' work, but has the problem that it can further damage the shell. Using a Bang ring can also work, but remember a bang ring is made to dislodge a Scotch and Soda coin the outside shell of which is much thicker than a normal shell and can again damage an expanded shell.

Here is a method that worked for me about 98% of the time without harming the shell, etc. Then I'll tell you how to fix the shell.

What you need is a Very Sharp sewing needle. Not too big. You need a very sharp point or don't try this. Holding the shell without touching the inner coin you are going to take the needle and stick it into the side of the coin you want to remove. Pull the coin UP just a little! Not too much. Remove needle and twist coin about 1/4 around and do again. Keep doing this until you have loosened the inner coin enough to pop it out all the way with the needle. Be patient and don't try to rush the process.

If you observe what is happening the the reason why 'generally' you can't just pop the inner coin out at once its that the coin can not pivot enough in the small space without damaging in some manner the outer shell. A little at a time will do it.

Now, lets assume that you expanded shell gets a little banged up. The following MAY work. Many times it is all you have to do to rehabilitate a shell. You need a think hanky. I like to use an old Hyrum the Haunted Hank. They have turned out to be almost perfect for this job. Set a normal coin on the table or pad. Now cover with a single layer of the hanky. Now, carefully press the shell onto the coin on the table and on top of the hanky. Do this a little bit at first and then check the shell and see if it is ok. If not continue until you have pressed it all the way onto the coin. It will now be stuck because of the hanky. Don't prize the shell off....just pull opposite ends of the hanky until it pops off.

If this doesn't work you will have to send it back to a manufacturer like Johnson Products to be fixed, but you will be amazed at how well this does work! All best,
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Yes, I ususally use a dollar bill or a cloth something if its availible.

If you have a really malformed shell that you can get the coin out of, stretch it via the dollar bill/hank method, then put the coin it and roll it with downward force against a hard surface, then repeat with the hanky until you get the shell back in shape.

rolling it with downward pressure against concrete or whatever will push in the rim and get any "out" dings, and then the bill/hank will push out any "in" dings.

Finally, if there is any wobble put the coin+shell(shell up) on a hard surface and strike with a mallet(may want to wrap coin) to flatten the shell.. I've seen some shells that noticably rock when pressure is put on the face of the shell, this will fix that.

Work slowly, but between rolling and expanded you can usually fix many dings in your shell.
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Thanks guys, got it..
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Strong carpet tape or duct tape can often dislodge the coins.

Brad's repair suggestions are great. I find a standard silk works but sometimes I double the thickness of the silk and that works well for the really bad cases. I also take a quarter and push it out from the inside edge of the flattend shell to help push it out if it's really bad.
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Ah yes, I agree with the tape method.... the hardest part about getting a shell unstuck is that you can't reliably grip the inner coin without it tilting and thus jamming it.

if you can get ahold of tape(I like double stick as then its stuck to your hand also), its also super easy as you can actually pull where it needs to be pulled.
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Here's a tip from an old Lapidary. Stick two "Dop Sticks," one to each side. That'll give you something to pull with. This will allow you to pull evenly without twisting and deforming the shell. You should also be able to rotate the two sticks if you need to turn the coin within the shell. Once it's loose, just put the two coins in the freezer for a few minutes and the stick will pop cleanly off the coins.

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So what do you do when the shell is deformed ?. How do you repair it ? Specially when is an expensive one ? Usually the coin deforms the shell when it hits the floor at least that's what happened to mine.

If someone will put together a video of how to repair coins with a repair kit included will definetely be a hit.
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I've heard rumors that Jamie Schoolcraft is working on such a kit now.
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I've unstuck coins by puttng a small dab of Blu Tac (very sticky putty-like material that you can find out most office supply stores)on the front and back of the coin. Press your forefingr on one side, thumb on the back and pull your fingers apart.

My coins have popped open, but I haven't tried it with bend or damaged coins.
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It drives me crazy when it happens. It usually happens when my copper coin gets lodged in the half dollar shell. First, I do not keep the two together in the same coin purse, pocket, etc. Second, when they get lodged, I usually put them in a juice glass and twirl them around until they separate. If they do not separate, well you have a sun/moon (copper/silver) coin that can be used for other coin routines.

Good luck.

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Take a magnifying glass and look at the edge of the shell where the insert goes into it. Look all around it. At some point you will see an area where the edge has been pushed inward just a tiny bit. You need to push that outward a little. Here's how to do it.

First, mark the bent area with a sharpie, so you know where it starts and ends. Now, hold the coins so that the shell is below, the insert is up. Place the fingertips of both hands on the shell, the thumbs on the back of the insert. Orient the coins so the bent area is at 12:00. Push toward the bend with your thumbs, pull back with your fingers. This will gradually press the bend out of the coin enough for the insert to come out. Check the insert for burrs or protrusions, because these can have the same effect as a bent shell. You can remove the burrs or protrusions with a very fine file or steel wool, but if they are severe, send the coin and shell back to the manufacturer. Or substitute a different insert coin if one is available.

Once the insert is out, use a smaller coin to further reduce the bend in the shell. To make the repair even, do as Brad suggested. Place the insert on a table top, place a thin handkerchief over it (NOT A SILK!!!!), and push the shell down over the insert and the handkerchief. This will force the shell to become round again. Don't pound on the shell, just push evenly.

To get the shell separated from the hanky and the insert coin, place the whole arrangement over the mouth of a drinking glass, with the insert coin below. The shell should be centered over the mouth of the glass. Pull the hanky tightly down around the glass. Then push downward on the shell. This will dislodge the insert coin and the handkerchief. It should work smoothly now.
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Thanks for the great advice, Bill.
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Never thought of some of these methods...thanks guys
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Just FYI: The first day I had my Johnson shell I dropped it. Ugh. Called them, they said mail it back and I did. They repaired it and returned it immediately and gratis. Wonderful service and I didn't have to risk messing it up (which I've no doubt I would've done). Haven't dropped it since--and that was 20 years ago or so.
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