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On an audio tape Dunninger said that in the starting days the SAM was a very small group. People like Okito, Kellar, Thurston, Houdini, Hardeen, and later Jack Gwynne were all members.

I don't know if there was a rule in the bi-laws back in those days if a member HAD to be a pro. But at that time there were MORE PRO'S as members because their were more PRO'S working.

According to Buddy Farnan the IBM came along partly because the SAM was harder to join in those days and people that owned magic shops and other things that were connected to magic as a hobby thought that they should have a club that was easier to join.
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On 2006-04-16 05:09, tommy wrote:
Karl? or his brother - Groucho. Smile


Thanks for the correction tommy. That would be Groucho! Hehe.
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"I don't care to belong to any club that would accept me as a member".

So mused Groucho Marx and it was these well-chosen words that a group of literati recalled when in 1984, parched and weary, they roamed the streets of Soho looking for a suitable watering hole.

Thus the concept of The Groucho Club was born. Successful entrepeneur Tony Mackintosh backed the proposition and discovered the sprawling Dean St London location that now hosts the infamous Groucho Club.

This private members club plays host to sober, clean-living respectable media types during the day and a deliciously decadent celebrity clientele at night.

It’s a very exclusive place. Some time ago an infamous impostor arrived at the place and told them he was Stanley Kubrick. As no one knew what Kubrick looked like they let him in.
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On 2006-04-16 00:28, RandyStewart wrote:
Keep doing great things, go forward and sin no more, and elevate the art.

Respectfully staying out of the way,

Here's a little something from Geocities regarding the Hippocratic Oath taken by doctors when they enter practice, and I quote:

One translation reads: "Declare the past, diagnose the present, foretell the future; practice these acts. As to diseases, make a habit of two things — to help, or at least to do no harm."

Gee, we could almost adapt that... Smile
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On 2006-04-13 10:17, George Ledo wrote:
Or he can go to a Karaoke club and empty out the house in five seconds flat.


If Uncle Joe butcher's your favorite song, you'll laugh about it.

If he butcher's a magic trick or reveals secrets, some people will hate magic for life.
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And then there are other people like Pat.

Marshall Brodien used to do close up magic and hypnotism in a night club called the Ciro club. This was uptown Chicago and the place booked hypnotists. Ted Boyer and the top hypnotists of his day. Marshall used to hang out there and he did his show there for over two years.

He would sit with other entertainers and hypnotists that came in to watch hypnotism. There was this you blond girl that came in wanted to be a hypnotist and a lot of the older guys laughed at her. She would get up and sing numbers with the band in the night club for the experience on slow nights.

Many of the entertainers criticized her and said she never had a chance. Then she stopped coming in.

Later an agent came in and told the group (Including Marshall Brodien) that there was a young girl hypnotist packing them in in a small club in Indiana. It ended up to be this little wacky blond girl who ended up working in Las Vegas and later in her own night club on the sun set strip. And later did movies and the I love Lucy TV Show and later still Showtime specials.

Her Name - Pat Collins the Hip Hypnotist.

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On 2006-04-16 14:31, kregg wrote:
If he butcher's a magic trick or reveals secrets, some people will hate magic for life.

I can't agree with that on a very simple principle.

Say Uncle Joe butchers a magic trick... say... I don't know, the Floating Glassful of Coke Without the Glass. He totally massacres it.

The only people who will be upset are those who already have a feeling for magic, because they've seen good magic and they realize this guy sucks. If they already have a good feeling for magic, they will not "hate magic for life" because they know what good magic is. They will just think Uncle Joe's trick presentation sucked.

People who are indifferent to magic will continue to be indifferent to magic.

And if Uncle Joe reveals the 1" galvanized iron pipe gimmick (oops, I shouldn;t have said that...), the only people who will be upset are those who have a strong feeling for protecting secrets -- i.e., those who have a strong feeling for magic. The indifferent ones will just say he blew it, laugh about it, and forget about it.
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I did say, "... some people..."

But, if Uncle Joe thinks he can make extra money doing bad magic for birthday parties...

Still, people don't hate music because they heard a bad musician - The same cannot be said of our craft.
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I know lots of people who won't go to an opera because they find the experience demeaning and incomprehensible, even if the production is extravagant and the singers are good.

Why?

Maybe it's because they feel as if they are being screamed at in a foreign language.

Since Uncle Joe isn't a magician, why would anyone hold what he did up as magic?
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On 2006-04-16 17:08, kregg wrote:
Still, people don't hate music because they heard a bad musician - The same cannot be said of our craft.

There is that word again hate. Having done shows from the time of about 8 years old up till now and I am about 50. People don't hate magic. Magicians hate magic - that is to say they do not like some magic tricks if they feel that got a bad deal in some way.

Magicians also hate other magicians - often it can be envy and jealous reasons. There are a lot of reason's some magicians do not like other magicians.

People do not hate magic. They may hate getting fooled. Or Hate being made a fool by a magician. And then say they hate magic. Besides religious reasons and a lack of education I would say that people do not hate magic.

But many are not interested or not into it. That is all. I am not into baseball but I do not hate it. I am not into basketball but I do not hate it I am just not into it. I do not have the time. And that is part of the problem - they do not have the time. The thing is that people that don't have the time enjoy being entertained.

And if it is magic and THEY have fun they enjoy the entertainment.
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I wonder if some see magic as childish entertainment. I mean all kids seem to love magic but when they get older they get into music and stuff.

Magic does not seem to cater to teenages very well.
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No, a lot of teenagers don't relate to magic... in the way they generally think of it. Teenagers are people at a point in their life where they need to get away from being a kid and become an adult. They get rid of everything that reminds them of being kids, or that a friend may think is still a holdout from their kid days. Peer pressure is intense here. Some teenagers get into card tricks and similar stuff as attention-getters for a while, but drop it all when something else comes along or when their friends get bored.

I think that for magic to reach teenagers it needs to push and pull them into something adult and real-world. It needs to be relevant in some way besides, hey, lookit what I can do.

And with that thought, we're off to my niece's for Easter Dinner.

Happy Easter to all of you who believe in Easter!
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Well I think from a business point of view that’s where magic should try it’s best, to cater to these teenagers, because that seems to me where magic is loosing out. Once some one has lost interest it is hard get them back. I see the problem and have no solution but if magic could find a way it would be great.
The only magician I have seen on a music video was Ricky Jay with Bob Dylan, that sort of thing helps magic I think.

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