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The One
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Most of the time, when anyone asks a question in this forum, they get the same answer:
"Do some research"

I have nothing wrong with that.
Just like with magic, this forum is only meant to help... Not teach.

Besides... hypnotism would not work for most online magicians. Hypnotism requires audience managment and control skillz, something that usually lacks (specially because of the Street magic craze) in most of the 24,268 members of this forum.

Hypnotism and magic are very different. Most of the time, The state of minds of an spectator participating in either one is also very different. And while some have been able to fuse both arts, they had a good understanding of what hypnotism is and how it works first. Most members are too worried about confusing their audiences to have that knowledge.

And... nowadays mostly anyone interested in hypnotism does it for the wrong reasons.

So I suggest this (useless) forum is deleted.

Either that or don't complaint when told to "Do some research"


The One
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Daniel Santos
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This forum shouldn't be deleted. It is meant for professionals and those looking to become professional to seek the wisdom of other professionals. Sure somebody on a less serious note may interfere every so often, but it's their problem when they are told to "do some research". This place isn't meant to LEARN hypnosis, but rather to share IDEAS and THOUGHTS on the art as well as little helpful hints and whatnot.

Basically this forum needs a sticky topic with big capital letters that reads something along the lines of, "READ BEFORE POSTING".
If it is to be, it is up to me.
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I'm working on a "please read before posting" file, but it will have to wait until after tax time. The FAQ Part I is a start, at least.

I agree, too that this forum is a good idea, especially with the growing interest in stage hypnosis and the growing and demonstrable level of, frankly, stupidity being done by some of the people performing out there.

I mean, really - staging a bank robbery?! Now THAT'S stupid in anyone's book! Talk about an open invitation for an hysterical abreaction from either one of the "robber participants" or one of the "bank staff!" Not to mention the possibility of the same kind of reaction that could happen to any passersby (and, from what I have heard, there WERE some) that happened to be there when this happened!

Now given, I'm a bit more safety conservative than some people in the field - it comes from being the only guy in the field to have written a book on the subject FOR hypnotists (to help them protect themselves anf their volunteers) as well as from being asked to TEACH the first safety course at the National Guild of Hypnotists Convention last year (couldn't - pneumonia pulled rank on me) and this year. But I am getting rather tired of seeing people do things with hypnosis and pseudo hypnosis and things that are being PASSED OFF AS HYPNOSIS (se Darren Brown) that are damaging TO hypnosis and to stage hypnosis particularly.

Hence, when someone posts a question, I post source materials in the form of titles and sources for coursework.

From where I sit, that's good for the public, good for other hypnotists and good for hypnosis in general.

Maybe that's over the top. If so, then I'm guilty as charged. But if I am going to leave any kind of a legacy, I can think of several worse ones that I could leave.

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Dannydoyle
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Man I love posting after Lee, it saves me so many misspellings! And I can be shrot and to the point.

Problem with hypnosis is people are looking for "quick fix" stuff. They see some Brown stuff passed off as hypnosis and think it is the same thing. Misinformation and rumors and urban legends and such.

It is frustrating to hear over and over. We are going through the same nonsense those of us who actually did street performing (shich by the way includes Lee and myself if I am not mistaking), when David Blaine came out. Don't get me wrong I make no claim about good or bad, only that he was to street performing what Velvita Cheese is to a dairy product! They resemble each other, but on closer inspection there is a WORLD of difference!

So perhaps we should start a NEW section dedicated to the nonsense people try to pass off ass hypnosis, as opposed to the section dedicated to professional shows and people who wish to do them.

As for what you are guilty of Lee, let me spell it out. You sir are guilty of trying ot further our art form and progress forward with respect for what it is we do. I am also guilty as charged, if not a bit louder and more brash.
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Drivel, drivel, drivel. You all talk about problems of hypnosis and pseudo-hypnosis. What about the 'wow' factor to the laymen?
Whether true hypnosis or pseudo- its all part of the intelligence and genius in delivery.
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Nice first post. Start out by jumping in the middle of an age old discussion and problem.

As professional hypnotists Lee and I use BOTH pseudo hypnosis stunts and actual hypnosis stunts.

For decades as a matter of fact. The WOW factor is something we are both intimatly familiar with.

The problem at least I personally have is when the PRACTITIONER does NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. Hence my frustration.

Sorry to add to the drivel.

But I never said pseudo hypnosis was a problem now did I?

Wanna know one of my biggest problems with hypnosis. All the magicians who claim they will "hypnotise" their assistant to make them more comfortable before levitating them. Gawd what nonsense.
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Lee Darrow
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Sorry, gentlebeings, but I have to address an issue here:

Drivel... okay, let's talk about drivel for a moment: I got a call from a colleague's office on Monday. It seems a psychology professor at a local junior college showed a video of a hypnosis show which included the induction portion of the show.

One of the students WATCHING the video entered trance and refused to EXIT trance at the conclusion of the video. The professor, the untrained git, didn't have the training or experience to handle the situation and the school called my colleague's office, as he was local to the situation and has a Doctorate in psychology, himself. He was out of town and in an area where his cell phone service does not reach (gotta LOVE Cingular!), so, as one of the other people on call to that office, which is quite a ways away, they called me.

The situation got sorted out with relative ease, but it could have gotten blown all out of proportion by a parent, or by the student herself. THAT'S a PROBLEM. Not drivel, by anyone's measure of trouble - and the kind of problem that can, if the parent has a big enough mouth and a nasty enough lawyer, get blown into legislation that can put stage hypnotists out of business.

That's not drivel. And it is exactly why I am teaching a class on safety for stage hypnotists at the National Guild of Hypnotists convention this August. The biggest dangers in hypnosis are those that directly relate to the HYPNOTIST!

Gosh-wow factors are great. I love them and use them all the time - but I select the ones I use so that they will NOT leave an opening for some enterprising person with an attorney with a case of lawsuit-itis to climb into my income stream and dam it up for the rest of my life.

And I am seeing far too many stage hypnotists setting themselves up for exactly that kind of fall. And my legal advisors agree, 100%.

This is why this section should not be removed from the Café'.

Respectfully,

Lee Darrow, C.H.
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Dannydoyle
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Lee thank you.
Danny Doyle
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Lee Darrow
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De nada por nada, Danny.

I say what I believe. But thanks for the kind words and support.

Lee Darrow, C.H.
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Dannydoyle
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Lee you always speak what you believe to be the truth. I like this.

This section is not bad, it is informational for people to understand the difference in hypnosis and what they think they see.

Kind of the way the first time you learn as a small child about "magic" and its reality.
Danny Doyle
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I am a new user and mostly a lurker here, but I think it is nice to have a place to post questions, comments, stories, and warnings regarding hypnosis. Perhaps someone insterested in adding hypnosis to their street magic show will be educated on what that actually entails by people who are knowledgable about the subject. Most advice in this world seems to come from people who have very limited knowledge in what they are talking about. (Like this post of mine) This one area is a link to knowledgable people that could be difficult to reach for opinions elswhere.

Is this posting area hurting people? I understand about hypnosis being very different than magic. The only reason I got into hypnosis is because so many agents and customers asked if I also did hypnosis when booking a magic show. So many people asked, I realized I should add it to my show.

A few years ago I spent the time and money on several different courses, some in class and some on video, some from licesned therapists only, some from therapists concentrating on stage performance- and am proud to offer the option of hypnosis shows. I love doing them! All that said, I am not as experienced as you previous posters, and seem to be a part of the problem, but could also learn a lot from you should the need arise.

I have no idea why this topic has gotten me to actually post, but- if this area isn't hurting anybody- I reitterate that it nice for people to be able to get advice and opinions from people who actually kow what they are talking about.

Thanks- sorry for the long post.
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Thank you Seth, for posting and for your support. You went out and GOT the training, which hardly makes you "part of the problem," as I see it.

To me, it's the folks who take a 2-day course without any prior knowledge and then claim to be "Master Hypnotists," or who read one book and then go out and start doing shows in a fashion that physically endangers their volunteers (or themselves!) that are the problem.

Or worse, those who have NO training and who try to push their own agenda about what hypnosis is and isn't without ANY training or knowledge, based solely on whatever urban legends or superstitions they have soaked up in their lives and who refuse to listen to scientific facts.

So, again, thank you for your help and support!

Keep those great posts coming!

Lee Darrow, C.H.
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