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jocdoc
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I personally make my own invisible and brainwave decks. They work fine - easy to spread and reveal the necessary cards without suspicion amongst my spectators.

One thing that may help with your concern about the appearance of the cards is to delay the final reveal a beat or two after spreading to where you want to be. Make it look like you purposely delayed the final card reveal for maximum effect - this would provide a reason for double thickness (if, in fact, someone really did observe this - not really an issue for me). The effect becomes a little bit more magical if you reveal the card slowly.

Paul Green has a fun ID routine that can be found on his Classic Force video and is also sold as a separate routine called "I Knew it all the Time."
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Hi guys,

Re: Invisible Decks: I'm not too sure how much this idea is used - as far as I know, I came up with it, in other words, I didn't pick it up anywhere, the idea just came to me - I'm sure I'm not the first. I'd have the spec. secretly write down the name of a card (3H for example) on a post-it note in a John Cornelius type of wallet & even wrap a rubber band around it (of course, getting my peek along the way) & then reveal the face-down card (in the ID) that was NEVER even mentioned! I'm fairly new at magic myself, but I really love this version being that it is the only version that I've seen where the name of the thought-of card is never even mentioned!

The ideas can be endless with the ID!!
Thanks,
Johnny
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On 2008-12-16 16:33, cbitsakt wrote:
When I first saw the invisible deck effect I was quite intrigued. Looked quite good. Quickly though I realized (just by the demo) that it probably utilizes the same principle as the mental photography deck.


Oops - I forgot to address this issue. ID is not same as mental photography exactly, the latter has additional alterations to the deck. You should be able to play with an ID at your local magic shop to become familiar with it. If you don't have a local shop, the decks are cheap (i.e. <$10 US) and you will find a use for it (whether it be as an out for a busted card call or a trick itself). I don't think that you'd find the ID a waste of money.
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Thanks so much jocdoc. I guess I'll give it a try and buy some roughing spray too.

Cheers.
Constantine.
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On 2008-12-16 16:33, cbitsakt wrote:
I mean, even if you have roughing spray the amount of friction between cards may differ. This means that you will either reveal more than one card (in any trick deck) or, when you get to the point where you want to reveal the card you're pressure will vary significantly....Basically it will be more than obvious that you're pushing harder.


Practice, practice, practice. Smile It took me a while to get the hang of the spreading process, but with repetition you will eventually learn how to do it flawlessly. Experiment with different degrees of downward pressure with your right thumb as you spread the cards, small bunches at a time. Also, I'm an older guy and my skin is a bit dryer than when I was younger, so wetting my left thumb and rubbing it against my middle finger just before spreading gives me added control. Not too professional, but it works.

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Secondly, and most importantly, someone's that watching the trick up, close and personal, has a good chance realizing that as you go through the deck, you're pushing two cards at a time.... And I know that you guys will suggest to watch my angles, but I'm telling you...I have friends that I can show them two cards as one (perfectly one behind the other), completely face on, and from five feet away, and they know I have two cards just from the thickness.... And that has left ME scratching my head (and frustrated, of course).


I think if you practice sufficiently as mentioned above, you will gain confidence in the spreading process and your natural demeanor will go a long way in avoiding this problem. You are the one causing the detection, not your spectators.

Good luck, Constantine.
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Thanks so much bluelight!
Back to the drawing board for me then!! Smile
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For roughing fluid go to a hobby store and by Dullcote it is the same thing but much cheaper
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Living and performing in a pretty cold place I nearly always have to wet my thumb and finger in order to get the grip to seperate the cards. It's only in a warm setting that my digits have the tacky adhesion needed.
When I lick my fingerI make a real show of it so as to build the effect, rather than doing it undercover.
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On 2008-12-22 15:15, jugglestruck wrote:
When I lick my fingerI make a real show of it so as to build the effect, rather than doing it undercover.


Thanks for the head-slapper tip [doh]. Smile Sometimes the best solutions are the easiest.
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My ID deck works very well. My Brainwave deck doesn't work very well (cards are revealed). My Mental Photography deck worked well at first but now cards are being revealed.

Do magic shops sell roughing fluid?
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Yes, and nowadays there is the roughing stick. It is easier to use and has gotten good reviews.
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On Dec 27, 2008, Bill Hammer wrote:
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On 2008-12-22 15:15, jugglestruck wrote:
When I lick my fingerI make a real show of it so as to build the effect, rather than doing it undercover.


Thanks for the head-slapper tip [doh]. Smile Sometimes the best solutions are the easiest.


Others disagree and think it's gross, unsanitary, and unprofessional.
You might alienate your audience in the process. See this thread:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&start=0
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It could either be a pressure issue or not enough roughing fluid on the cards.
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I have a love hate relationship with the ID. I always struggle with them especially with new packs. They stick together like remain voters at a Brexit rally. They just will not separate for me. I love the principle and the routines that go wit them but I am afraid that for some reason I really struggle handling them. Smile
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Https://www.mimesis-magic.com/index.html

This guy makes the best invisible decks...PERIOD!
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Anyone know if Sean at Mimesis is still doing business?
blurrylines
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His site has been down for months... Very nice guy, he seems to have disappeared.
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